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322 - Likely Fake But I Need Validation

 
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Posted 11/22/2024   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mbaranovic to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I assume that this is a fake, but it is from my father's collection so I am obligated to double check. Can someone please let me know if there is any reason to pursue validating this?
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Posted 11/22/2024   3:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your stamps look to me like Type I which would rule out 322. Can we see a clearer close-up image of the pair?
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Posted 11/22/2024   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That bottom margin alone proves it's fake.
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Posted 11/22/2024   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GMC89 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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That bottom margin alone proves it's fake

Please explain.I know you are seeing something I don't see. In the WF series The outer edges must be parallel, not necessarily perpendicular to the image.
In this patient it appears to me that there are perfs cut through at the top, which would show better against a black background.
And Rogdcam makes the compelling argument against the patient.
Regards amrk
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Posted 11/22/2024   5:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's too uneven and cut much too sharply. Also the overall height of the pair is too short.
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Posted 11/22/2024   5:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GMC89 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Revcollector
It appeared to me to be cut across the top, and a natural straight edge across the bottom. Having said that I cannot appraise patients with a scan, I need to have the patient in hand to make judgment.
regards mark
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Posted 11/22/2024   5:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The outer edges must be parallel, not necessarily perpendicular to the image.

Here is the original scan with two parallel lines added. The bottom lines up nicely ... the top not nicely.
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Posted 11/22/2024   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Without that thick black line, the bottom does not line up so nicely.....
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Posted 11/22/2024   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO trying to judge dimensions or the degree to which edges are parallel from this scan are suspect at best. There is no accounting for the conditions under which the image was captured. Was it captured on a flatbed scanner or is the perspective skewed such as when an image is taken by a handheld device? Are the stamps flat? Has the image been "cleaned up" at all?

A clear flatbed scanner image on a dark background which enables us to see detail is needed.

Mark is onto something with the perf hole edges at top. Again, we need better images to work with to confirm Type I or II, perf hole edges and degree of parallel.
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Posted 11/22/2024   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All one has to do is look at the perf holes to know whether the image is squeezed/distorted or not.
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Posted 11/22/2024   7:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mbaranovic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the insight. In this case, I think rogdcam's point is definitive. I looked closely at the stamp, and it is a type 1. That rules it out as a 322 right there.

I'll try placing straight edges along the top and bottom to see if they are really not parallel. I'm sure I'll find that they aren't, but I'll learn something from the experience.

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Posted 12/04/2024   4:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JirkaUSA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My grandfather used to collect stamps as a kid and this one stamp probably has a price. If it is genuine. Please what is your opinion?
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Posted 12/04/2024   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jirka - The top and bottom margins are too narrow. Sorry.
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