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This May Be Why I Sometimes Have Trouble Finding Watermarks

 
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Posted 11/30/2024   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some watermarks are tough for everyone. And sometimes one has to leave the stamp in fluid for a minute or more before it becomes visible.
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Posted 11/30/2024   2:13 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Make life easy for yourself. Collect France. No watermarks, hardly any perf differences. Bliss.
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Posted 11/30/2024   2:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamp Hunting to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I feel your pain. I think we all do.

Watermarks have been the bane of my collecting since I began. Even with years of experience, there are times when you just can't tell. As you so eloquently show in your photos.

I wish you good fortune in your hunt for clarity.
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Posted 11/30/2024   3:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My attitude is that if a stamp can only be watermarked and it cannot be found, then it should be considered a single line watermark. The SL watermarks are more likely to have that happen.
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Posted 11/30/2024   3:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And then there are people that swear they see something that isn't there at all. So far I have not paid any attention to US watermarks because I am not hung up about identifying and recording *most* stamps. I have a lot of them but keep my workload simple. No software, no database. For Commonwealth stamps I use a light to see watermarks.
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Posted 11/30/2024   4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
100 year old paper is often somewhat uneven, which can cause shadows. That can sometimes cause inexperienced collectors to think that they see a watermark when there is not one. Like everything else in philately, the more stamps one sees, the better one becomes at recognition.
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Posted 11/30/2024   5:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since the point of watermarking stamp paper was to prevent fraud how did the Post Office look for watermarks back in the day? Or did they?
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Posted 11/30/2024   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt they cared. Of course it's a lot easier to find them in large multiples, especially with selvage.
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How do you all watermark stamps on envelopes, trying to determine if I have a US E4 or E5, doused it in fluid and can't really see anything. Hints appreciated!
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How do you all watermark stamps on envelopes

Sometimes (rarely), you can see a watermark using a very bright light. If the envelope opens correctly, position the light and try to look through the open envelope at the back of the stamp. Otherwise, removing and reattaching is another option.
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The cancel date can often be of help in that regard. And understanding the back story of when and why the watermarks changed can also help.
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Posted 12/03/2024   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And many times it really doesn't matter from a postal history standpoint ... where the value is driven by factors other than the stamp.
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Posted 12/03/2024   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Since the point of watermarking stamp paper was to prevent fraud how did the Post Office look for watermarks back in the day?


Perhaps the reason for watermarked paper was to prevent paper theft.
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Posted 12/03/2024   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Watermarks existed to help prevent counterfeiting. Since a typical post office would get stamps in panes, or at least large multiples, the watermarks would be easy to see if anyone was interested in seeing it.
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