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Posted 01/09/2025   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add 123ber to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Help me read the mark on the adhesive side of the brand, most likely this is a mark of ownership of this brand or an expert mark.
There are two postal cancellations on the brand, one is a regular cancellation and the second is a manual cancellation in the form of a red line (most likely telegraphic)
The letter D in the word Deutsches is not the same as on other varieties of this brand; the differences are highlighted in blue on the third screen.
The right side frame, piled into the middle, perhaps the matrix was wax, could not withstand the temperature and the right side frame fell into the middle of the brand.
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Posted 01/09/2025   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 123ber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Compare the letter D with another brand and you will see everything!!!
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Posted 01/09/2025   12:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just a little overinked, nothing unusual


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Posted 01/09/2025   1:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And, again, what is this rarity Rrr+ supposed to mean? Where does it come from?
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Posted 01/09/2025   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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And, again, what is this rarity Rrr+ supposed to mean? Where does it come from?


I know but cannot say because this is a family friendly forum.
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Posted 01/09/2025   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rich60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mark on reverse is either an owners mark or a dealers mark. Not an experts mark that I have ever seen
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Posted 01/09/2025   11:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 123ber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How is this nothing out of the ordinary?
Look closely at the letter D, the letters D are different. Today I will take a photo of the two brands in comparison and post the photo.
I have an entire collection based on brands with printing defects, mixed up Wz, etc.
Sincerely!!!
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Posted 01/10/2025   01:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If it is not ink from the cancellation, it is a slight overinking. Such variations are common. That is why it is not listed unless major and constant.
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Posted 01/10/2025   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarsBoettger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The so-called "expert mark" reads "DEUTSCHES [KINDER?]-SCHECKAMT". If this is true, this translates roughly in "German Children's Check Office" - this is a strike of a toy cancel. I have to admit that the "KINDER" interpretation is a very shaky, but it would make some sense.

Most likely the stamp was given by a collector to a child. A placeholder for nicer stamp.
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Posted 01/10/2025   7:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Deutsches Jugend-Scheckamt.
Kinderposts were mock-up cardboard post office toys for kids to play "post Office". I think these toys go back to at least the year 1900.
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Posted 01/11/2025   01:13 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had an English version as a small child. They're fun, but you soon use up the stamps and envelopes.
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Posted 01/11/2025   02:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp looks genuine. Toys would have had cruder and smaller stamps.

It is neither "KINDER," nor "JUGEND" -SCHECKAMT. "POST" and "ALTER," also, do not fit. It looks like "STEM," but I cannot find a reference to such an office, nor think of what a Stemscheck would be.

This might very well be something related to a government office that paid out some social benefit. Germany did have a pension scheme at the time. The problem, however, would be thatthe stamp appears used and any official stamp, likely, would have been applied over the gum. So, that backstamp, likely, is a fantasy.
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Posted 01/11/2025   03:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarsBoettger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Deutsches Jugend-Scheckamt.

@DrKohler is correct! Many thanks for your eagle eyes!

@NSK: Sorry, I have to disagree - "DEUTSCHES * JUGEND-SCHECKAMT *" is the wording in the cancellation. This has nothing to do with a postal savings benefit scheme but is a cancel of a mock postal counter.
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Posted 01/11/2025   04:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see the "JUGEND" now.

As I wrote, it , likely, is a fantasy backstamp (not a cancellation, that is on the front).


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postal savings benefit scheme


I never suggested it did. Social benefits had nothing to do with postal savings.
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