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French Nouvelle Caledoni 1c Normal And Wallis & Futuna Overpring-Forgeries?

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Posted 08/26/2025   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The belief is the overprinted example is good, the normal is not. I have no clue so I am asking.



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Posted 08/26/2025   4:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Flightle_Bee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Monogram 'JP' in the lower right corner appears to be malformed in the right-hand example, and the whole design is even more askew than the left-hand one.
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Posted 08/26/2025   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Flightle_Bee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know- if the issue was produced using stone lithography, i.e. printed off a slab of Solnhofen limestone, defects in the process of laying the design down on the stone could account for the distortions evident in both examples. Got a feeling the process involves tissue paper to transfer the design.
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Posted 09/03/2025   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"New Caledonia" added to thread for better searches in English.

Any one else have comments?
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Posted 09/03/2025   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Any one else have comments?


Well, since you asked; an error in the title.


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Wallis & Futuna Overpring - Forgeries




Lol, had to edit, mis-spelled Fotuna
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Edited by littleriverphil - 09/03/2025 6:29 pm
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Posted 09/03/2025   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Lol, had to edit, mis-spelled Fotuna


I was coming to point that out while saying I will not bother the Mods for the missing "T" as I am not sure he is British.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/04/2025 12:03 pm
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Posted 09/03/2025   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So if you make a mistake every now and then you can no longer claim human error. Just shut up and someone will consider it an AI response.




Thank you, I'll be here all week.
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Posted 09/03/2025   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These stamps were not forged . Your second stamp was soaked in water too long or placed in hot water to get that ink flaking effect .
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Posted 09/04/2025   12:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Your second stamp was soaked in water too long or placed in hot water to get that ink flaking effect .


Both stamps are mint with gum, so such damage from soaking would not have occured. The paper of both stamps is noticeably different, with the suspected forgery having a much bluer colour, not shown well in the image.


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These stamps were not forged .


Interesting, so you believe it is just a poorly printed version of a slight design variation on the plate?

I will post a comparison photo with the differences pointed out shortly.
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Posted 09/04/2025   12:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I strongly suspect that it's a forgery. Too many differences in letter shapes, the bird shapes, the anchor shape, etc.
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Posted 09/04/2025   1:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Flightle_Bee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Too many differences in letter shapes, the bird shapes, the anchor shape, etc.


It's been re-imagined by Guy Gee. https://pantography.com/products/france-ii

I've seen his stuff in Liberty's- 300 quid for a naff laser print.

I wuz wrong about the askew frame- photo was taken at an angle.
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Posted 09/04/2025   3:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

revcollector quote:

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I strongly suspect that it's a forgery. Too many differences in letter shapes, the bird shapes, the anchor shape, etc
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Why would anyone have forged this stamp?
It has minimum catalogue value.
The catalogue shows it was printed typography black on green
which doesnt show on either of the examples shown by Parcelpostguy
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Posted 09/04/2025   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Here are some details that lead me to believe this is a forgery, in addition to the differing paper:

1.Lack of details on bird's wings.,
2.Different shape of scroll.,
3.Different shape of scroll.,
4.All 4 circular details on frame are blobby and misshapen.,
5.Differing details inside scroll.,
6.Lettering different, lacking some definition.,
7.Rope and anchor different shape and lacking detail.


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The catalogue shows it was printed typography black on green
which doesn't show on either of the examples shown by Parcelpostguy


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I am guessing these are black and white, not color photos. <<<My guess being to better show design contrast with stamp paper. That was NOT a good nor useful guess.

I realized I was wrong after being advised the four pictures I posted were all color photos.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/05/2025 4:18 pm
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Posted 09/04/2025   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why would anyone have forged this stamp?
It has minimum catalogue value.


I have to agree with the catalog value angle. And add, at 1c face value saving of postal costs is small as well.

Considering those facts, one could almost guess if a forgery, someone was just practicing for little gain or to sell for album fillers.

Edited: For better accuracy.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/05/2025 4:28 pm
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Posted 09/04/2025   7:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many inexpensive stamps from a wide range of countries have been forged, in part because stamps easily found today were sometimes difficult to get 100+ years ago. And the idea of collecting for the first 50 or 60 years was to fill every space in an album. So lots of forgeries around.
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Posted 09/04/2025   7:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And they were usually sold as forgeries for pennies, and lots of collectors got some.
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