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Yugoslavia Stamp Identification Question

 
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Posted 08/04/2010   03:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add marcbkk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here we go again. Another one I can't seem to find in Scott. It is probably staring me right in the face like some of the others I posted recently, but I just don't see it. Either my father had the wrong Scott numbers listed for these in his album or maybe I just jotted them down wrong when I removed them from the old album.

I have 5 different used plate blocks like this. The 5 value denominations are 050+050, 1+1, 150+150, 2+2, and 4+4.

The one I am showing here is the used 4+4 block. They are a very pretty set and the real color of this block is a much richer ultra blue. Maybe from the 1950s, but I am not sure. Any help will be much appreciated as always. Cheers...

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Posted 08/04/2010   04:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It was issued in 1939 as the top value in a set of 5 stamps, to commemorate the Postal Centenary and Railway Benevolent Association Fund (SG 395). Lockheed 10 Electra mail plane.
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Posted 08/04/2010   04:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
22crows is right!

That would make them Yugoslavia #B79-B83 in the Scott catalog.
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Posted 08/04/2010   1:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add marcbkk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great work both of you. Many thanks. I found them now. My father actually had the right numbers, I just jotted it down incorrectly. I had noted #379-83 instead of writing down B79-83. Cheers.
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Posted 12/06/2011   09:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Another Yugoslav ID please :
I have no Krona values to compare
Presume Vienna printing, thin smooth paper, yellowish gum.
The design confuses.

SG numbers preferred


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Posted 12/06/2011   09:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, Scotts has a version of these noted as postage due for Slovenia. There's a prussian blue version (which is what that looks like, though hard to tell from scan) from 1920 which is listed as a Vienna print. The numeral should be 7mm high. The image in the catalogue does not have the word KRON on the stamp, but those pictured are larger numerals (they range 8, 9.5 and 11-12mm)
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Posted 12/06/2011   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot help you with getting a specific SG number, but here is the Scott info that might help.

It is a Slovenia postage due (in the Scott catalog, it is at the back of the Yugoslavia listings.

Possibilities:

3LJ6(1919), Ljubljana printing (dark blue, 8mm high numerals)
3LJ13(1920), Vienna printing (Prussian blue, 7mm)
3LJ13a(1920), Vienna printing (dark blue, 7mm)

All three also exist imperforate.
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Posted 12/06/2011   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, James beat me to it. It's too early in the morning for me.
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Posted 12/06/2011   10:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
..and it's too late in the evening for me.
You guys have lost me.
How can it be for Slovenia?, when in 1941 they were using
the later Yugoslav postage due.
In the 1920's it was part of Yugoslavia.
I must be missing something, I'll try again in the morning...
Thanks so far.
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Posted 12/06/2011   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
How can it be for Slovenia?

That, is a question for the Scott editors to answer. Who really understands the madness that goes on at Scott?
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Posted 12/06/2011   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Drzava SHS - State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. (Serbs refer to the Serbian populations of Bosnia and southwestern Croatia)

the forerunner of Yugoslavia, this was the southern Slavic parts of the Austro-Hungarian empire at the end of WWI. only lasted a few weeks before joining the Kingdom of Serbia to form the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, later re-named Yugoslavia.

these postage dues were issued as a compliment to normal postal issues, the Verigar (or chain-breaker) issues, which were designed in late 1918 (during the period of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs). by the time they were printed in early 1919 (for the Ljubljana issues, later in the year for the Vienna issues), the merger with Serbia was complete. it wouldn't be until 1921 that the new Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes would have stamps printed, so the regional Verigar issues remained in use.
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Posted 12/06/2011   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SG lists these under "Slovenia" near the start of their Yugoslavia listings.

These were issued in 1919 by the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes for use in Slovenia just like the famous chainbreaker definitives, with issues at the same time for use in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and in Croatia. Serbia continued using Serbian stamps until the first set for the whole country was issued in 1921. The country was renamed "Yugoslavia" in 1929.
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Posted 12/06/2011   12:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the historical background, guys!

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Posted 12/06/2011   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I am working from 2 catalogues that change radically.
In SG SOTW
Yugoslavia appears as
1. Bosnia and Herzegovina
2.Croatia
3.Slovenia (no postage dues listed)
4. The whole Kingdom

Postage dues are listed at the back of book
under slovenia
The "Kron" aroused curiosity beacause I expected "Krona"
as shown in an image in another catalogue.

Ergo, I am assuming it attracts SGD155 5k blue


The 1965 SG must have been extensively revised
it attracted SG38a there (dull blue)

Thanks for all your help and assistance.

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Posted 12/06/2011   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


I am digesting this stuff for future posts and maps .
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Posted 12/07/2011   03:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I don't envy you on that one BeeSee,
overlapping time frames etc.
Good Luck.
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