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Not only did the post office refuse to mail this item, they won't give a refund on the postage (which was about $250)  |
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It was your violation, why should you get the refund? Full lawful service was provided, just not as you expected. The USPS notified you reason for the non-delivery blocked recipient as noted by the US Postal Inspection Service.
Ask the recipient about his being blocked, but don't expect a reply.
You have no obligation to refund the purchase price or shipping to the blocked individual who made an unlawful order.
Now why ask here, the answers to you questions remain with the USPIS. |
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| Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/23/2025 9:45 pm |
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How could I tell that this person was on a "do not send mail to" list?
It is hard to follow rules when you have no access to the rule book. |
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You rely on that information being supplied by your addressee. He knew. He used and victimized you. But what is the issue, or did you mail this before receiving full payment? You retain your merchandise so no loss there. How are you out the postage costs if collected up front. Quote:
It is hard to follow rules when you have no access to the rule book. Again, that answer, and list, remains with the USPIS contact them. |
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This was an ebay item. So ebay will refund the full amount. I don't what the scam was with the buyer, they are not getting anything out of this. If the post office has a hidden list of people we should not send stuff to, we should be reimbursed if we have no way of knowing someone is on the list. |
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My car is licensed, insured and passes all safety checks. My Driver's license is valid. But I still lost my car.
The guy at the stop light asked to borrow my car and did not return it. How was I to know?
Of course I did not ask very many questions as my attention was focused on the huge handgun pointed at me, but he seemed like a nice fellow.
Losses and victimization come in many flavors, alub, but at the end of the day you are still a victim of illegal behavior just like the guy above would be. |
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| Edited by Parcelpostguy - 09/23/2025 10:07 pm |
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The lists are published by the relevant government agencies and all exporters are presumed to know them. See DMM 512.2. https://pe.usps.com/text/imm/immc5_002.htmSorry if it's inconvenient or surprising, but that's been the law for decades. "Know your customer" or KYC is the buzzword for how corporate exporters deal with this and individual commercial sellers have the same obligation. |
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| Edited by cjpalermo1964 - 09/23/2025 10:25 pm |
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| Edited by alub - 09/23/2025 10:38 pm |
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Again, alub, why the concern over the lack of $250+ postage refund? You collected in advance, correct? Quote:
Your assumption is that the guy knows he is on the list. Wow, you block his name on this site. Are you going to avoid telling him too? The name is on the list so you don't ship to him, that is your job. How did he respond to learning the shipment was not going to arrive? Surprised, cut communication, asked for a full refund just  suggested you remail it to John Jones at the same address or what? BTW all other John Jones have ways to clear their name from a no fly list. Just takes some work. |
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512 Prohibited Destinations, Specially Designated Nationals, and Blocked Persons
512.1 Restricted Destinations
Mailers may not send items to or receive items from the following countries or regions unless authorized by OFAC:
Cuba.
Iran.
North Korea.
The Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk regions of Ukraine, and any other regions of Ukraine designated by the Secretary of the Treasury as "covered regions" under Executive Order 14065.
Note: The Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) also regulates exports to these countries and regions (see 530). A given mailing might require separate authorization from both BIS and OFAC. For more information, see Publication 699, Special Requirements for Shipping Internationally.
512.2 Blocked Persons
Mailers may not send items to or on behalf of, or receive items from, certain individuals and entities designated by OFAC as blocked persons, except as authorized by OFAC. OFAC maintains multiple lists of blocked persons, and the lists are available online via treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/SDN-List/Pages/default.aspx. Mailers are responsible for consulting such lists in conjunction with any and all relevant OFAC regulations, because some entities (e.g., certain governmental entities) might be blocked under OFAC's regulations but not specifically listed, and certain listed entities might be subject to restrictions that do not affect exports or imports of physical items. Mailers are responsible for consulting and ensuring their compliance with OFAC's regulations and directives.
Note: The Department of Commerce's Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) also regulates exports to, from, or on behalf of certain individuals and entities, including many that are also subject to OFAC restrictions (see 530). A given mailing might require separate authorization from both BIS and OFAC. For more information, see Publication 699.
My buddy sells hunting related material including night vision items. You should see the rules he needs to follow. He also expect payment from certain individuals, in advance, via wire transfer (can not be reversed). |
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The above covers blocked individuals.
You, alub, still need to go to the website to get guidance about following export regulations. |
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The package went to Abdul Karim in Yorkshire, which I assume to be the Yorkshire in England. Why would a guy in England be blocked by the American postal service? |
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It depends on whether "Abdul Karim" is flagged or "Abdul Karim from Yorkshire" is flagged.
In the latter case, he might be suspected of fraud, terrorism or links to terrorist organisations.
In the former case, an Abdul Karim is suspected of such, so all Abdul Karims are.
Since people move house, use third party's addresses or PO Boxes, I would not be surprised if the former is the case. Remember the incident with Yusuf Islam. just because his current name matched that of someone placed on a list, Cat Stevens could not fly. |
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I looked at the list myself. There is a single person with that name on the list and he is located in Iran, and that is not even his full name. It would be quite impossible for this Yorkshire based individual to have any knowledge of a guy with a similar name to his being on an American list of people the American government doesn't like. |
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The list is not just for "terrorism" (<meaningless word used by governments to describe any movement they dislike) or "fraud", it lists companies, mostly technology ones, including big and well known companies, any government institution or military institution of America's personal enemies (in which I found the Iranian guy listed under) and ANYTHING at all to do with countries America dislikes (Russian, Iranian, Cuban and North Korean things) |
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