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Posted 02/15/2011   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Wadmalatz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I`ve only got a few pre 1930 US stamps, and no catalogue for them, also no duplicates to observe differences, types etc. There are about 8-10 I`d like to know more about (I intend to exchange them in the future). If have information about them, please help!
Here`s the first. Daniel Webster?


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Posted 02/15/2011   1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Daniel Webster. It's a banknote, and it could be one of four different numbers. If there's a grill on the back (doesn't look like it) it would be a 141. The paper doesn't look yellow enough to be a 189 (see the discussion about 185s in this section). That leaves 152 or 163 and that will be based on a secret mark in the upper left triangle. At this scan size, it's hard to see what it might be. I'm thinking a 152.
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A larger scan would be helpful to determine cat no. It is hard to get a good look at the paper type, but is does look more like soft paper to me. The New York oval cancel help to date the use of this stamp to 1880+. I am leaning toward Scott 189 but would really need larger scan to tell for sure.
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Thank very much for the infos & I`ll do my best for larger, better scans (I have 7 more question).
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Posted 02/16/2011   05:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wadmalatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here`s a bit larger scan



and another I`d like to know more about.

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Posted 02/16/2011   05:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Wadmalatz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, it`s probably 26 (am I right?). About this one I found out, that was issued in large quantity, that`s why low CV, despite age (?).
Anything else?


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Posted 02/16/2011   07:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Confederate issues are a total minefield with fakes and forgeries. Possibly a #11 or 11C ? There are a couple varieties of this one, although I see no frame line which is why I'd venture a guess at an 11. Where did you get the number 26 from ? Also some of these are worth a tad more with a good cancel.
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The `Confederate` (thank for terminology!) & a handful of pre 1930 are all inherited (about 2 pages from a medium size stockbook). My father get most of them for free, in the region we lived he was known for collecting stamps, so these are probably from old attics, boxes etc.(so for sure not bought- and it`s good to hear that, if there are forgeries)-scan of backside of any help?-to ugly hinges. Thank for infos again, more stamps to come.
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Posted 02/16/2011   07:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the Webster, the corner triangle looks like it might have the secret mark, which is some reinforcement of the shading in the bottom "V." Still hard to say this size, needs to be BIG. That would put it in 163 vs 189 territory. Russ is calling it a 189, and I would certainly defer to his judgement. Look at the back while holding it up to a light. If you can see the design clearly, its a 163. If the paper looks mottled and the design is more of a silhouette, 189.

"Confederate" refers to the Confederate States of America, what the south called itself during the American Civil War.
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Thank again. The paper doesn`t look mottled. No better rezolution, that`s the best I can do with Mr. Webster.



2 more, and I`m finished (the others seem easier even with my old B&W french catalogue)
Cancel -Philadelphia 7 ?


Standard colour?


Thank in advance, I guess I`m done with US stamps (to few to start a collection,but hope they`ll be good for exchange)
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Posted 02/16/2011   10:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add otto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll stick w/ my call on the Webster then.

The 10c Brown Jefferson is a 161, I'm fairly sure, which means a Continental with a secret mark. The paper, again, doesn't look yellow enough to be a 188 (do the light check with it). The secret mark is a little cup on the bottom of the right ball under the "E" in postage. The "H" in Philadelphia is smacked right down on top of that, unfortunately. I downloaded and zoomed in on the image and I think I can see it. Look at it with your magnifying glass. Held right, with the glass about 20cm from the stamp and your eye about 20cm from the glass, cancels can appear to float over the stamp image. You should be able to see the mark (or its absence) through that.



(Edit: what I mean about the cup sounds a little vague. The detail added at right about shows the secret mark on my 161)

The 3c Washington is an intriguing color, but the pink 64s are really pink. There are a gazillion color variations on the 65 (given that about a gazillion x 10 were printed) and I think this one falls into that spectrum. So I'll call it a 65.

Second edit, change 187 to 188

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I'd be willing to exchange or buy the 65 as I collect this issue.
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Stallzer, the 65 has faults, as shown above. So the only thing that can be done with it is to throw away, or find for


it a good home, were appreciated. If still needed, mail the adress (regular snail mail, if arrives, it would take about 2 weeks, or even more). I collect Hungarian pre 1913 postmarks (on stamps, or covers), this is my area of interest, but as said: this 65 practically (in my opinion, at least, has no value at all, so it`s indeed for free)-in the middle thin paper, right side cut L shape, not to mention teeth etc. So if wanted, I need adress, you`ll need patience-snail mail.
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The 15 cent is American Banknote printing on soft porous paper 1879 Scott 189. The 10 cent is the re-engraved 1881-82 Scott 209. The three cent are 1857 Scott 26 and 1861 Scott 65.
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