Australia KGV 1 Penny Red Help With Identification

Greetings from New Zealand, I have been a Australian KGV side face collector for many years, I have just found this forum to find similiar collectors with the same interest. However I have one issue which I never been able to find a listing for.

This 1 penny red is of normal perforation, single watermark, on war savings paper I belive, the copies I have are mint and are punctured OS but appear to be imperforate at the top, only similar reference I can find is imperforate at the base these appears to be imperforate at the top.
I have included an image with normal examples for comparison, hopefully someone may be able to help and give me some information on the copies I have.

Kindest Regards

Sydneyboy

Hi Sydneyboy and a Big to our SCF.

Your 1st pair with a wide margin and colour at the top because of poorly centered perforating looks like it is a true imperf at top. Do not know how it could be anything else.

Your last single is totally confusing because of the wide margin at the top & bottom of the stamp but very interesting. A wild guess, it is some sort of booklet freak but who knows.

Very interesting thanks for sharing. Always Happy Stamping. KGV

I think someone has cut the perfs off the top of the pair (if they were true imperfs why would you cut the top pair thru the design and not keep them in a block of 4 )

The single has a wide bottom margin because it comes from bottom of sheet maybe.

It looks as if the first pair is so far off center that the top perforations went into the bottom of the Stamp above and were snipped by scissors.

Spot on Aussie Al. I was very wrong. Definitely made to look like an imperf and has 3 perfs above the colour of the stamp.The top perf has 1/2 of it with the colour of the next stamp

That last single looks like it is from the same sheet,bottom row but cut below the colour as it only shows 2 perfs above the stamp colour.

Looks very good at a glance but made to look real, "forgeries". Is a good term for these stamps.

Thanks for all your comments, I have done another scan on grid paper, I do believe and agree the single OS has been snipped at the top for some reason, however I'm not too sure about the pair(inccidently are of a different shade so come from a different sheet no doubt)with the stamps lined up I'm not convinced that the pair have been sissor cut, in my opinion would drop 1-1.5mm below my guide line I have drawn. Many years ago I read a piece about KGV forgeries but never took much notice of it or the source. Any further comments are always appreciated.
Regards
sydneyboy

Sydneyboy
The A.C.S.C. only lists imperf at base = $50,000 each from bottom of sheet.

Is the left stamp of pair a Die 2 ?

Aussie Al, No not Die 2.

Hi Sydneyboy.

The pair & and single KGV1d reds in question has the perf OS in different positions so it would be highly unlikely they are from exactly the same sheet but more the same type of out of alignment perforations.

By looking at the number of perforation above the top of the colour of your stamps tells a great deal about your stamps.

By using the straight edge of a ruler the pair have a clear 2 1/2 perfs above the colour of the stamp and a 1/2 perf of colour on top perf making 3 complete perfs.

By using the straight edge of a ruler the single has less than 2 perfs. The bottom row of perfs cuts a little higher than the pair but the single should still have colour on the 3rd perf but it is not present.

On the vertical the pair counts 20 perf from the bottom cut to the top.

On the vertical the single counts 18 1/2 perfs from the bottom perf cuts to the top.

To me these stamps have been made to look like something they are not.

KGV Collector thanks for your comments, I guess you have a fairly comprehensive collection of Oz KGV, I have been collecting for many years now and I have a fairly comprehensive collection, I often have queries about some items I have so once I have enough posts it would be great to keep in touch with you directly, so glad I found this forum.

Many thanks for your help.
sydneyboy

Hi Sydneyboy.

The best part about stamping is we can all learn from each other. I am very sure you could give me a lot of info on KGVs that I do not know about.

I am just someone that likes to collect KGVs and in resent times listing a few on ebay.

It is nice to try and simplify KGVs with out being simple. They are the best stamps in the world to collect.

Always Happy Stamping. KGV

Sydneyboy
Check out this topic for more KGVs

https://goscf.com/t/7020

Sydneyboy, the left OS stamp, of the joined pair, 'seems/appears' to show the very bottom of the white base frame beneath 'one penny and the number 1' from a stamp above. Sorry.

You have to think of the pure odds here. The odds of finding the first recorded pair or single in the history of Australian Stamps ? Or the odds of the Red showing on the top of the pair is the bottom frame line from the Stamps above ? Clearly they are a few MM off center and the Perforations on the bottom are well into the vignette which would mean the same for the pair above it ? You can't take the entire top margin into measurement because half of it should be on the bottom.

From left, the first four are Misperfed(height) - the fifth is a normal sized stamp.

Take the last 2 on right, an opportunist may carefully remove the top perfs on the second last stamp attempting to create a Top Imperf.