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Posted 06/23/2012   10:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Selva to your friends list Get a Link to this Message



Universal postal union USA postcard. Sent from New York on 13th October arrived in Bremen,Germany on 22nd Oct.Need help to confirm year.Is it supposed to be 1896?Also need help to identify the person on the postal stationery stamp.Looks like a lady.Any other info and details on this post card will be much appreciated.


USA postal cover with postal stationery stamp of 2 cent Washington.No postal cancel or postmark.Need help to identify year.



Closer view of the Washington 2 cent postal stationery stamp.Solid and thick embossing espesially the white Washington figure."T" in united and states not complete."O" in postage not complete looks like C. "N" in Washington is smaller and looks like slightly higher.Opinions will be much appreciated.Thanks guys.
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Posted 06/23/2012   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gkc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Selva, For the Washington embossed stamp.My scotts has info about the 3 lines to the left and right of "Two Cents. U385-U389 having 1 short and 2 long vertical lines. U395- U398 "recut" having all 3 short lines with heavier lettering, and ends of ribbons a little different. I'm not an expert on these embossed. But I have recently purchased 100's of embossed on e-ay and I'm working on them this week. Hope this helps.. Keith
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Posted 06/23/2012   11:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The year on the UPU card would be 1896, going by the German bridge-type cancel, and the New York cancel also, where there is a '96' to the lower right of the circular date stamp part of the duplex cancel.

The embossed person does kind of look like Queen Victoria but is could not be her of course.

Perhaps Martha Washington, who was on a stamp or two?
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Posted 06/23/2012   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Also need help to identify the person on the postal stationery stamp.Looks like a lady.


Selva,

The "Lady" on your UPU postal card issued in 1879 (Scott UX6) is "Liberty." The 2011 catalog value for the used card was $25.

Steve
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Posted 06/23/2012   10:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Selva to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Steve,thank you for your comment on the upu postcard.Just a question as you said the card was issued in 1879 and the postmark on my card is 1896.Were they using the same design from 1879 to 1896? Thanks.
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Posted 06/23/2012   10:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I may, Steve.
This Lady Liberty card was issued for International use, hence the 2c denomination.
UX6 were reissued in 1897 (UX13) and 1898 (UX16), with variations in paper colour or design.
If the colour of your card is 'cream' then you would have a UX13. The UX6 was printed on 'buff' card.

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Posted 06/23/2012   10:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Selva,

That design (blue on a buff card) was for international use. It was reissued on January 25, 1897 in blue on a cream card that measured 140mmx89mm (Scott UX13); my 2011 Scott catalog indicates that the earliest documented use of the reissued card was April 17, 1897. The final issue of that design but without the frame around the card was in 1898 (Scott UX16) -- it was black on a buff card that measured 140mmx82mm.

Steve

EDIT: I've got to learn to type faster!
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Posted 06/23/2012   11:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Selva to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you jamesw and Steve for your replies. My card is reading a postmark of 1896.As you have explained the (Scott UX13) was reissued in 1897 and (Scott UX16) in 1897.So when was the one I posted postmarked Oct 13 1896 issued?Neither could it have been those issued in 1879 as it would be beyond reasoning to say someone kept the card for 17 years or so to use it.The colour of mine is cream.Thanks guys.
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Posted 06/23/2012   11:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The differences in these colours have always been a bit of a mystery to me. Scott's Specialized doesn't define the colours in the postal card section (that I could find). In the stamped envelope and wrapper area, buff and cream seem to be interchangeable.
But as you say, your card was mailed in 1896, so therefore, the colours are moot.
UX6 was the only international rate card issued until the reissue in 1897. Someone either did hang onto it for 17 years or, more likely the post office kept reprinting UX6 for those 17 years until the new issue, UX13, was released in 1897.
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Posted 06/23/2012   11:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Selva to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks jamesw.You have been really helpfull.Lets hope someone else could chip in to solve the puzzle.If not we should get the scooby doo team or the csi.By the way jamesw,would you by chance have an image of the Scott UX6 that you could post.Maybe I could compare the images.
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Posted 06/23/2012   11:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not as fortunate as you as to have an actual example of the card. Here's a scan of it's listing in the Scott's Specialized catalogue.



I don't think there's really much of a mystery to bother Shaggy and his friends with. I really think the card was available from 1879 to January 25 1897 when the new version was released.
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