High Res. Photos: 219-Dp Or 220 Proofs?

At the request of some members of the forum I used my scanner so we can all have a better chance of making an educated decision. Honestly, I'm excited by the find either way, but to not know definitively is driving me bonkers! As always, thanks for your help all!

whatever they are, they're awesome

They don't seem dark enough to be lake, although shades from scans are always difficult to determine accurately.

Might want to search the archives... There have been a number of threads on color, and identification, and your scott numbers in question too.

https://goscf.com/t/26308&whichpage...olor%2Cchart

https://goscf.com/t/10294&SearchTerms=color,charts

Based on the link you gave me, I'd have to say I'm leaning more towards the shade carmine. From what I've read the CV for proof blocks of four are higher for carmine. Considering the price I paid for these stamps ($0.00) I guess it doesn't really matter since my profit would still be 100% :P
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There is a very large catalog difference between India proofs, card proofs and stamp paper proofs. Also whether they are gummed or not.

Here is an example in lake.

Well, the paper it is printed on when held up to the light shows thin lines of dark and larger sections that let more light through. The paper is very thin, so much so that I'm afraid to touch even the folder it is in. Thirdly it is shiny on the back with absolutely no flaws, which I've recently learned (still a newb) means NH?

Better yet, a color chart published for this exact stamp.
If there's ever an available color chart for a specific stamp, get it. It comes in very handy. If you compare this chart to the ones bfranton posted links for, you can see there's a difference comparing lake varieties, especially for the 119D.

Thank you very much for the guide. I printed it out and am in the process of comparing them, if I'm doing this correctly they appear to match most closely with either 'dark carmine' or 'dark carmine lake'. Which, brings a smile to my face considering how darn close and seemingly indistinguishable they are...One quick question though; there are parts of the stamp, the upper right and lower left, for example that are very dark. There are other parts which obviously appear lighter due to the affect of white line saturation per-se. Which part of the stamp should I hold most critically to this guide?
Thanks as always,
-LethalStamp

the stamps and the color chart blow my mind. Where did you get the color chart Mr. 597596

I actually picked up this color chart from my local coin and stamp dealer. It's a Scott's specialized color chart for Scott #'s 10,11,64,65,119D,220,267 &279B. Great little tool!

I don't know if you got any more info on this since it was originally posted, but if not. Your proof block was printed on stamp paper, and judging by the scan as I see it on my monitor (who knows how close that is to what you see) the color appears more like carmine lake than lake. However, there is an important detail which may help settle your main question. Does this block have gum, or did it ever have gum. The 219 proofs on stamp paper were all gummed. Some of the 220 stamp paper proofs were gummed, but quite a few never had gum. So if your block is without gum, and never had gum, then it's a 220.

Side comment: I hope Scott gets away from listing these imperfs on stamp paper as P4 class proofs, because it just confuses everything. But for now it would be 219DP4e or 220P4d with or without gum.