Scott #65?

I picked these up in my weekend travels.

I believe both are 65s the top one with the color of Bright Rose and the bottom ones color is Rose Pink. Correct? I did not see any Grill so they are 65s Correct?



The Rose Pink:

A better view of the Bright Rose:




A better view of the Rose Pink

I would agree....I see no pinkish traits.

Second Cover, with an 1864 year date of cancel, makes it unlikely that its a 64b, Rose Pink--they were pretty much all used in 1861 and early 1862. Looks more like the Lilac Rose shade of 1864 (which does resemble the Rose Pink of 1861). Check www.3cent1861.com for some examples of the color shades of this issue. If ray.mac looks at this post he can probalby better verify the color for you since he's been doing a study on the colors of this issue for a while. First one looks a bit like the 1862 Rich Rose to me, but I'm not sure. The Advertising auxilliary marking is nice and ads value to that cover. Good finds!

I used the Scott Specialized Color guide for the colors. I had my wife look at them as well, she came up with the same colors (she is not a collector). But we could be wrong that's why I am here to learn. Thank you for the replies. This site is always great! By the way he Postal mark on the 2nd cover is from 1984, no?.

Joe, I believe its a double circle Nashville, Tennessee January 24, 1864 CDS cancel. That's a occupation cover. Union forces occupied Nashville on February 23rd. 1862 and throughout the reminder of the Civil War. The Scott Specialized is a good source, but it doesn't list all the colors on the 1861 3-cent issue. There is quite a large range of colors on that stamp, as well as other stamps, that the catalogue doesn't list.

Wow, I thought the Scott book was the best color guide.

So what would be a good color source/ guide?

What do the stamp experts use? How do they determine color?

Would it pay to have them expertized?

Would I get this stamp expertized? No it is a common 65 one of the least expensive and most abundant stamps of its time. Consider that the true #65 only had around 100,000 and the #65 was issued at around 1,800,000.

A good cheap reference to use for the true color on the #64 is the #248 (1894 2 cent pink Washington)

Mr. Gator is absolutely correct on this one. I think lilac rose came from '64 but I'm on the road and don't have my reference with me. Sure appears to be lilac rose.

See some of my previous posts for more info on the 1861 3c shades.

Hope this helps, Ray

So what would be a good color source/ guide?
R.H. White....expensive but worth it.
Come up at auction frequently....$200-300.

Hope this helps.







Also here is a previous post on stamps colors.

https://goscf.com/t/11976&whichpage=1

Sharks-- the color guide you've posted will not help for the 3c 1861. There is no guide that will help-- there has never been a published listing.

Take a look at one of my other posts:
A few shades for the US #88 E-Grill
A few more shades of the 3c 1861 A25 stamp identified
Images of some of the 3c #65 shades

In the last one, you'll see some articles that I've listed that were penned by Mike McClung, who is the philatelist that has ID'd the 54 shades, and assigned rarity factors.

You can also purchase a specific color guide, which also will not help: "Three Cents Washington 1861-1862, Color Guide for Scott #64 & 65"

We know that the stamp was printed from August of 1861 into 1869. The printing process wasn't perfected in the 19th century, and so each batch of ink was a little different, thus the different shades. The articles that I've posted, if you join USPCS, or pay for the articles, will help you understand how it all happened.

Then, it's a matter of collecting the stamps on year-dated covers, and that will help you to identify the shades. I've only been doing this for a couple of years now, and I have a bunch more to ID-- it's not easy when you're red-green color blind like I am.

Hope this is helpful. I've posted a bunch of stuff on this stamp, all easily findable if you look at my profile and posts.

Take care-- Ray

Wow, I am amazed at the knowledge here. So I apparently have a Occupied Cover with a #65 Lilac Rose Correct?

Ray thank you for the in-depth knowledge. I picked these up at a garage sale in the finger lakes region of NY with 31 other covers for $7.00, had to get them at that price.

But again how do the experts (Bill Weiss, PSE etc...) gauge the color, is it just an opinion?

As far as I know, and there is so much to know on this subject that that I'll never know, no one expertizes the shades. Bill is an expert and I've used him quite a bit to id pinks but some of these need to be analyzed with high res scans which can help bring out the different colors that make up the various shades.

I've been fortunate that I've bought 50-100 covers from Mike McClung and he has id the shades for me. Jack Daley has been very generous with his time and assistance and has id some of my shades for me (he id for me a brown lake and a lake brown-- crazy that there is a difference between them!)

With stamp in hand I can run the hi-res scan and run some analysis with Photoshop Elements. I'm fairly sure I can id a pink vs rose pink vs non-pink.

Feel free to contact me via email if I can help.

Thanks, Ray