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How Much Are My Pony Express Stamps Worth?

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Posted 12/19/2013   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Genuine "reprints" were done only once in April 1897 by the original printers.
Top of the line original stamps go for up to $500 each. The four stamps shown with the incredible margins would be worth around $2,000.
But, those of us with a combined experience of a couple years of stamping do not believe they are "real".
Produce a certificate of authenticity declaring genuine and we will eat all of our tropically stained stamps.
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Posted 12/19/2013   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm pretty sure my dad can beat up your dad
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Posted 12/19/2013   7:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The inverted Jenny,British Guinna 1 cent magenta,a huge lottery and now the Pony Express. WOW!
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Posted 12/19/2013   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
so is mine
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Posted 12/19/2013   7:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Frustration on both sides of this fence are understandable; the reasons have been covered by several posts. On the one hand we have someone who is asking for help and has strong preconceptions of value; on the other we have experienced folks who have been down this road many times and understand the probability of these stamps being real.
I would also add that the original poster appears to be a younger person and probably deserves some slack. Candace, please take the comments with a grain of salt. You have something that certainly warrants further discovery. But even if they turn out to not be real, the fact that your grandpa cherished them and handled them is certainly very meaningful to you and your family.
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Posted 12/19/2013   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi there, Candace.
I don't know you, and you don't know me (or anyone else on the message board).
However, let me try to give you some information about your stamps and some places you can go to verify the information so you can draw your own conclusions.

First of all, the Wells Fargo Pony Express stamps were all single color. It appears that one of the stamps you photographed has the denomination in a different color than the other stamps. That would point it to being a facsimile of the real stamp. If that is an artifact of the photograph, and it is a single color, then it has an outside possibility of being genuine.

This series of stamps is listed in stamp catalogs as 143L1, 143L2, 143L3, 143L4, and 143L5. As mentioned, they have been reissued and reproduced a number of times after they were originally issued. If you look at a lot of these, as many of us have, you'll see that the margins on most of them are very close to the sides of the images. Only on the sheet margin sides are there even the chance of having margins the size of the ones in your photo. Again, it predisposes people to think that they are facsimiles.

Even if they are genuine, you'll find that they are not "priceless." The 2010 stamp catalog I have lists the five stamps I mentioned as being worth:
143L1 $2 red: $ 175 unused, $ 800 cancelled (with a Wells Fargo cancellation)
143L2 $4 green: $ 300 unused, $1,250 cancelled ( " " " " )
143L3 $1 red: $ 90 unused, $ 750 cancelled ( " " " " )
143L4 $2 green: $ 250 unused, $1,750 cancelled ( " " " " )
143L5 $4 black: $ 175 unused, $6,000 cancelled ( " " " " )
(I don't buy a new one every year - the prices don't change that much)

The fact that the person who "authenticated" these stamps told you that they were "priceless" is another warning sign. This is basic information that any reputable appraiser should have had readily available. As they completely misstated the value of the stamps, that's another warning sign to those of us on this board that the information provided to your grandfather was of limited (at best) value.

Given all of these things, the warning bells have to go off and the responses you received are based on that.

As for outside validation of this information, I'd recommend that you go to to Siegel Auctions website at www.siegelauctions.com
At the top of the screen, you'll see a choice for "Power Search."
Go to that page and put the catalog numbers I provided into the box that says - "Catalog# Equals"
Hit search and see what the single stamps look like and what they have sold for in the past.
Siegel is probably the most reputable auction firm for this kind of material.
You might notice that there are not many examples of these stamps having been auctioned (in unused condition). This is not a function of their rarity, but more of their commonality. They just don't get enough to be worth lotting as individual stamps.

Sorry to break the news, but I would not set your hopes too high for getting much in the way of a tax deduction for these, should the Smithsonian even want them (they have A LOT of pony express material there).

Good luck with the rest of your grandfather's collection.

C.
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Posted 12/19/2013   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your first question:
"I was just wondering if anyone knows how much my 4 pony express stamps are worth?"

I told you what the catalog says that genuine copies are worth.
I pointed you to a place where you could see the market value of genuine copies is.

Personally, I don't care what you do with them. I was just trying to answer your question and defuse some of the rancor in this message thread.

Your question was answered. If genuine, they are worth $1000 total - at best. That's it. However, based on the photo you posted, I would put my vote in the "reprint" box, making them worth a couple of bucks for all of the reasons mentioned.

I would have thought the appropriate response to my post would have been "Thank you for the information and I will validate whether or not they are genuine." There is no reason to be defensive about your grandfather's motives, wealth, or anything else. You asked what they were worth and many people told you what they thought they were worth. We're sorry if the information provided contradicted information you previously received, but that's not our fault.

Good luck with them.
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Posted 12/19/2013   8:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
chipg.....you have not read the 1st 2 pages....
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Posted 12/19/2013   8:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes I did.
However, Candace didn't seem to want to believe what everyone was telling her, so I tried to dial it down a notch and back up everything I said.
Apparently, that didn't work either.
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Posted 12/19/2013   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
studebaker, chipg, great responses.
Candace1014 I think chipg has it covered.
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Posted 12/20/2013   05:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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my grandpa loves collecting stamps and just wanted to kno the value


Many of us have already been down this road of enjoyment value vs. financial value. Since he loves collecting stamps and has been doing so for many years, then knowing the realistic retail value of the stamp shouldn't bother him...


Quote:
25c....each.


Enjoyment value... priceless.
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Posted 12/20/2013   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Faken to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 12/21/2013   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kathey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK...I followed this thread and was amazed at how informative (and patient) everyone was concerning this thread.
But...I LOVE the last entry from Faken! Thank you, you made me really laugh!
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Posted 12/21/2013   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, all of Candace's posts except for the OP have been removed; so some of the replies don't make much sense. But then again, some of her posts should never have been made to begin with and at least one was already appropriately edited by one of the mods.
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Posted 12/21/2013   8:57 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Too bad all the OP's posts were deleted. This thread now makes zero sense to people who didn't read it as it was occurring.

From what I can still glean, it looks like the same person who was over on Delphi firing up a crapstorm...
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