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US C18 Used, With Airplane Cancel

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Posted 03/28/2014   12:09 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add Rileysan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I don't normally buy used stamps from this era, but this one jumped out at me.

I have other stamps with this cancellation. I would be grateful if someone could shed some light on when/where it was used.

Cheers!

Brian



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Posted 03/28/2014   12:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That postmark was used in many locations nationwide. I have posted this before, but here are two examples of similar (but not exact) slogan cancels with the bi-plane (as in your example) and the more streamlined mono-plane (later example):



Unfortunately, your example doesn't include the CDS portion of the postmark so it would be virtually impossible to identify the location where it was used.

Interestingly, the list of Washington, DC postmarks suggests that the bi-plane slogan was used from 08/23/1928 through 10/16/1939, but as you can see from the illustration I posted, they were in use as late as 1941 in Philadelphia and (most likely) in other locations, too.
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Posted 03/28/2014   12:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "Air Mail Saves Time" slogan cancel was used from 1924-1941. There are many different types of the "Air Mail Saves Time" slogan cancel many of which are differentiated based on tiny changes to the design or lettering. If you were able to find a resource regarding these slogan cancels you might be able to determine which type you have, and where it was used.
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Posted 03/28/2014   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some additional references for anyone who wants to study the "Air Mail Saves Time" Slogan Cancel. Be forewarned that it can be a time consuming (and somewhat difficult) study, as there are no less than 32 different types and at least 57 cutting varieties!

http://www.rmpldenver.com/pdf_files...ibblings.pdf

http://stamps.org/userfiles/file/My...el312838.pdf
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Posted 03/30/2014   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
see page 63 {of 98}

http://stamps.org/userfiles/file/My...el312838.pdf

Cincinnati Ohio Type 17a - 1929

Feb. 1st - Mar 19th



mine is March 29th 17a



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Posted 03/31/2014   12:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How would I submit the cancel/cover/cancellation to the study group?
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Posted 03/31/2014   12:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first place to contact is probably the Machine Cancel Society, since the introductory paragraph of the pdf file on the "Air Mail Saves Time" slogan cancel paper suggests that they are the only ones that have published material on this subject.

Of course, the previously provided link is on the American Philatelic Society website, so you may want to check there, too.
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Posted 04/01/2014   04:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you!
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Posted 04/01/2014   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BertA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is no need to contact the study group.

In 2001 the Machine Cancel Society published a booklet on the subject. The author states that your cancel was used in Cincinnati from April 5, 1928 until October 19, 1929. As a rule most machine cancel collectors (I am one) do not get overly excited by an earlier or later usage. I am not familiar with the pdf files mentioned.
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Posted 04/01/2014   11:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the updated info. I didn't think it would excite anyone but maybe just help add to their databank of these. That's all really. Saves me time so I'm happy.
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Posted 04/01/2014   10:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I always liked this one. An "Air Mail Saves Time", but the newer version.

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Posted 04/02/2014   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampfan9 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice clear cancel from Richmond, Virginia on US postcard.




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Posted 04/26/2014   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm adding to my earlier post, as I just found another "Air Mail Saves Time" Slogan Cancel from Philadelphia, PA (3). It appears to be the same as the center example (which makes sense), however, it was postmarked more than a month later on March 13, 1941.



Does anyone have an example of an "Air Mail Saves Time" Slogan Cancel (with the bi-plane) that shows a later date than March 13, 1941? I'm curious because all I have read suggests that these slogan cancels went into 1941, but no one has suggested exactly what date they were discontinued from use.
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Posted 04/30/2014   12:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chewie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have to lookthrough my stuff.. I know I have a handfull of these cancels. And as an aside, I have a nice set of 4 of the C18's mint and used. one with a plate number.
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Posted 03/07/2015   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm re-visiting an old thread only because I just found this one -- from Seattle, Washington. I find it curious that the previously posted exhibits on these cancels make no mention of usage in Seattle. Is this a known city for use or could this be a relatively scarce example?

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Posted 03/07/2015   4:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blcjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And here's one that wasn't listed in the linked documents: Milwaukee.



The complete cover:

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