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Posted 04/21/2014   8:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kdknowles to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,
I am a very amateur collector and am finding some stamps are harder to identify than others. Case in point is this stamp. I think (hope) this is Scott #135 but am unsure.

It is perf. 12 and has a grill ( I think that's what the indentations are). The grill rules out #146 and #157. I am going to assume it is not #168 as it is a super high CV.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.







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Posted 04/21/2014   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Besides the grill being a really bad fake I'll have look up what the Scott number is in the morning.
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Posted 04/21/2014   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kdknowles to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, if its fake then I assume it has ruined any value the stamp may have had? Oh well, I thought I might have had a moderately valuable stamp here. Got my hopes up for nothing it seems. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
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Posted 04/21/2014   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
kdknowles....
YES...a crude fake.
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Posted 04/21/2014   10:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wash 500 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin504, I would agree.
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Posted 04/21/2014   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kdknowles to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys for the feedback. I don't feel too bad, it came in a packet that had other good stamps in it.
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Posted 04/22/2014   04:45 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would hang on to the stamp if it was mine. I don't think it is an attempt to make a fake grill because it is not even close.
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Posted 04/22/2014   07:44 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

It should be noted that your stamp is not a fake, but rather the impression on the back give the feeling of an attempt at deception - which makes no sense since this stamp was never issued with a grill.


The stamp is an authentic Scott #183 - value of $5.00 if sound & VF.

Brian
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Posted 04/22/2014   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
could it have been a cancel and not a grill?
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Posted 04/22/2014   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was thinking along the same lines, but instead of a cancel, could the so-called "grill" have been made by a crimper-type device (the precursor to staples and/or paper clips) that would have attached a couple of sheets of paper together back in the day (in this case perhaps a letter with the envelope with stamp attached)?
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Posted 04/22/2014   10:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You mean a roller grill cancellation? I doubt it since it's only on a small section and not clear across the stamp like this one on this Revenue stamp. This one shows a herringbone style roller grill cancel but the idea is the same.

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Posted 04/22/2014   10:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The one shown in the posters original image looks like a knurled stereo knob was pressed into it. Too bad the forger didn't read up any on grills and which issues had them...lol
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Posted 04/22/2014   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I noticed that the "points" of the so-called grill on this stamp are arranged in staggered rows, sort of like the stars on a 50-star US flag. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall reading about any grills arranged thus. If one were to attempt to fake a grill, I think they would in all likelihood arrange the "points" in an appropriate pattern.
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Posted 04/22/2014   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wash 500 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
strange, the so called star impressions seen to be made by something rounded the impressions are deeper in the center then on the ends.
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Posted 04/22/2014   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chewie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am a machinist by trade, and that original picture looks like as "I love stamps" says a knurled object (stereo Knob) was used
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Posted 04/22/2014   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chewie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
oops hit submit too soon. the points are the look of a knurl made on a piece of metal.
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