20th Century Bureau Precancels

Does anyone know if there were any other Bureau Precancels for the
14c LaGuardia Scott 1397a other than these two:

there are 3 total, LA MIAMI DALLAS
the syracuse you show is a local precancel

According to my Scott Specialized Catalog there are three different Bureau precancels for that issue (1397a). Unfortunately the catalog doesn't elaborate on what those cities are.

However, this may answer the question on the third city, as it shows Los Angeles, CA:

http://www.wwww.hgitner.com/shop/us...ecancel.html

Noticed that a BidStart seller has 1397a precancels up for sale from somewhere in Ohio & Iowa (couldn't read the cities). Also LA & Pittsburgh were present. While he listed them as 1397a, I suppose some of them could be local precancels. While I don't collect precancels, I think local precancels would be tagged. Maybe someone can verify this ... or correct me if appropriate.

As noted above, the Syracuse, NY precancel is not a Bureau precancel, but I believe it is a Type 276 electroplate.

JLL - correct about the tagging. 1397a only come from the 3 cities I mentioned [the precancel is applied at the bureau].

Thank you for information. I had purchase a 1397a Dallas Bureau Precancel last year similar to above photo (it is untagged as should be) and last night purchased on ebay what was listed as a "1397a mint og nh precancel" (see photo above). It did not indicate bureau nor local precancel. As chasa stated, the 2015 Scott Specialized list "Bureau Precancels 3 dif" but it is much further down after Scott 1400 listing and easily missed, as I did, nor does it state which cities. The Scott listing only states, "1397a Untagged(Bureau precanceled)". So it would appear I possibly purchased a 1397 with a Local Precancel rather than a 1397a precancel as listed with ebay because it is not from any of the 3 cities chasa stated above? I will examine stamp under UV when I receive it in a few days to inspect tagging or lack of tagging and advise. I am sure the seller is honest and this could easily have been a mistake. wt1 how were you able to see Saracuse NY was a local precancel? Was it because of the spacing of bars which are one perf further apart than the Dallas TX?

Right, all other cities are locals and should have 'normal' tagging. If you are looking for the other 2 bureau's - the bureau specialist dealers at precancels.com should be able to supply [Podwell or Postlewaite]. 99% of sellers have no idea what 1397a signifies. In the Prominent Americans era all bureau precancels have the same small font.

As Chasa noted, all Bureau precancels have the same small font, not so on the Syracuse, NY example, thus it is could not be a Bureau precancel.

The Type 276 electroplate is described as "Block caps 2.5 mm high between 0.8 mm lines 12 to 13 mm apart; town and state 1 mm apart; two-letter state abbrev without period." If you measure those details on the actual stamp, you should come up with measurements pretty close to that description.

One last question. If one happened to have an untagged La Guardia precancel from a city other than the 3 specified, would this then be a "tagging omitted" error? A highly unlikely scenario, I know. There apparently are no "tagging omitted" copies of 1397 known ... at least there is no such stamp listed in Scott. And I think the answer to my question is yes. If the only cities in which Bureau precancels were produced are the 3 listed, then any other stamp without tagging (whether precanceled or not) should be a tagging omitted error.

Yes - but on used stamps, I believe the tagging can be chemically removed. That is why tagging error/anomalies should be collected 'mint'.

I will advise once I receive the stamp later this week and put under UV light. Suppose to be nh original gum but seller/collector says nothing about tagging. Maybe the seller was confused calling it a 1397a, I can always send it back for refund if just a tagged 1397 local precancel which it seems it may be after everyone's comments. Thank you.

Received the 1397a today. After viewing with UV I see it is fully tagged so it is not a 1397a as described but rather a 1397 with a local precancel. Does anyone have a Local Precancel Catalog to determine some sort of value. ebay seller will refund the $10.25 I paid but before I send back I want to be sure that it is common low value stamp.Thanks

Syracuse PSS-276 c.v is 0.25 USD, yes common low value.

Thank you chasa. I notice you are using a number other than Scott. What catalog are you using and where can one purchase such a catalog. I found a site that seems to have catalogs but unclear what to get. Only interested in post WW2 local and bureau precancels for the time being.
http://precanceled.com/precancel-catalogs/

The owner of that site is a great guy and has an enormous stock of specialized precancel books, unfortunately none of which is what you are looking for. The precancel stamp society literature page will be more helpful: http://www.precancels.com/pss-publications/
This one is complete for bureau's and has the computer database for searching and totals:
PSS Bureau computer program for Windows Windows program version the Bureau Catalog above. $19.00 $19.00
For non-bureau's it is more complicated - there is nothing that will show all types and all denomination - there are just too many.