R78c Double Transfer T78? Need Some Help

I picked this up in atlanta too. Looks to me like it has some characteristics of T78 but not quite as pronounced. I must have looked at 30 other R78s to compare but none other had the squiggle under FIFTY on the right side. What do you think? It was identified as a plain jane R78c.

There are various levels of this DT and how dramatic it is. I'll let some of the R78 platers chime in on the specifics...

That looks like a shift to the left, and you're saying that it gets more dramatic than this? Come on guys, let's see em!

I would agree with you LRP but the illustration of T78 in specialized has that exact same squiggle but it's not very clear. I'm hoping that someone more knowledgable than me can tell me exactly what I should be looking for!

This is one version of the T78, but there are a lot of them and some are much stronger especially in the lettering around the portrait. There are even a few pairs around with both stamps having the T78.

Thanks Bart. I guess that means I own my first DT - even if it isn't very dramatic. There's a first for everything though!

That illustration has been in the listings since at least 1940 which is my earliest specialized, so its well known. Of the 90 subjects on each plate, how many were double transfered? How many plates?

There was one plate, originally with no double transfers. When the plate was re-entered, it was apparently a hurried operation and several double transfers were created. I know for sure that some were along the bottom row, I have a pair with T78's with a bottom margin. This stamp has a number of plate varieties, including double framelines left, top and bottom, doubling of the corner elements, and doubling of some parts of the solid blue lettering.

Unfortunately Scotts image of T78 is very misleading. I've been accumulating copies of R78 for a while now and have identified more than 40 positions with some sort of doubling, stay ink, etc. I'm not a plate printer but I'm pretty sure most of what we are looking at is a worn plate. The true T78 is found in the bottom row right side of the plate. I do not know the exact position and there is more than 1 position showing the T78 type of shift. You can identify T78 by a dot outside the left frameline opposite the "E" in the word "ONE". This narrows the search down to 6 or 7 positions. The real test is in the doubling of the fine lines above and below the word "REVENUE". I have never been smart enough to learn how to post a scan but others here should have scans of it.

I would like to see that pair sometime, but let's not hijack southpaw's thread.




Despite the rather general illustration in the specialized, I'm pretty sure what you're showing here is R78c, but apparently there are a lot of constant plate varieties on the R78 plate, southpaw ...more than 40 positions out of 90, approching half, yep, I'd say the plate was re entered in a hurry!

If just a few more shifted or doubled transfers were found on that plate, the normal entry should be the one with the minor letter.

well bummer - no doubling of the frame lines above and below "revenue" or dot left of "one". I'll keep searching, can't be that difficult to find...

[QUOTE]can't be that difficult to find...[/QOUTE]

Sure shouldn't be hard to find with lackemacher identifiing 40 + positions with shifted or doubled transfers. A little less than every other one has some shift in the transfer. Just basing that off of the numbers given in this thread.

Here is another example that is a bit more dramatic.

This is the usual T78, note the lettering around the portrait as well as the numerals. A little searching at shows among dealers stocks will unearth one, most dealers don't look for it and wouldn't know it if they saw it anyway.