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Possibly A Rough 103?

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Posted 03/22/2015   3:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Moving back to the main topic...

See this 103 w/cert Langs is offering, for reference...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/103-XF-UNUS...em2c88706d58

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Posted 03/22/2015   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice stamp. I just read that only 979 were sold.
That seems like a large percentage of CV for a stamp with no gum and F-VF?? centering.
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Posted 03/22/2015   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think so... but I disagree with the FVF...

This stamp is XF all around... well clear on all sides...

What are the identifying characteristics of a 103 ?

I can see the paper is very white and the impression is quite strong...
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Edited by disi123 - 03/22/2015 5:47 pm
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Posted 03/22/2015   6:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add maverickx to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. What a beautiful stamp!
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Posted 03/22/2015   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What are the identifying characteristics of a 103 ?

The one "tell" I learned from members here, the star on the left cheek. It looks like a dark splotch to me. This stamp has it though.

I think your probably correct on the centering score. It does look closer to XF then F.
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Posted 03/22/2015   6:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've heard that 'tell' as well... and a stamp had been posted
in a previous discussion, and the 'star' was quite clear, but
I do not see it on this one...

I did find the previous discussion...

https://goscf.com/t/41379&SearchTer...tar,on,cheek
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Posted 03/22/2015   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "star" is found on all copies of 103, but is also found on some copies of #93 (F Grill), according to the Lane book on Black Jacks (p. 119). So a 103 has to have the star and has to have no grill.
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Posted 03/22/2015   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ahhhh... got it... thanks...

I just put an offer in on a used copy of The Harry F. Allen Collection
of Black Jacks... waiting on seller...
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Edited by disi123 - 03/22/2015 6:58 pm
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Posted 03/22/2015   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Got the book... $16.50 with shipping... not too shabby... (smiling)

Thanks so much for the recommendation...
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Posted 03/22/2015   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All 2c 1868-75 stamps printed from Plate No. 53 have the "Star on Cheek" plus 3 dots in upper left corner ornament (to right of left "2") and that plate was only used to print some "F" grill stamps (Scott #93) and the 1875 Special Printing (reissue) so of course, to be a #103, it can't have a grill. Actually, it's even easy to ID the 103 versus a #93 because of the much whiter paper, excellent impression and generally larger margins. The "secret marks" are a bonus for easy ID. Beware of proofs from Die III with fake perfs added offered as 103. Both the card proofs and india proofs from plate 53 can be used to fake #103. The india proofs will usually have fake gum also added and the card proofs will be shaved to get a stamp-like thickness then gum usually also added.

The 2c 1863-68 was my "first love" as a specialist collector and the author of the Allen Black Jack book (Maryette Lane) was my mentor who taught me how to exhibit. That book is still the best ever written on the subject.
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Posted 03/22/2015   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, Bill... that's all very helpful info... thank you for sharing...

I can't wait to get the book I ordered... I plan on reading it cover
to cover, as I am really getting more drawn in to Blackjacks...

Randall
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