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Posted 05/21/2015   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add nl1947 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
All Flat Plate ink on reverse
All SL WMK
411 width 21.5
412, 413 height 24.5





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Posted 05/21/2015   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it's not necessary to say this, maybe it is; I can't tell. But there could be some confusion here.

I've noticed that in your descriptions of the subjects for study you include lines like, "Rotary, no ink on reverse" or here, "All Flat Plate ink on reverse." I hope you and everyone understands that although the presence of setoff ink in any degree is pretty good evidence for flat plate printing, the absence of ink is not specific for rotary printing. Not every sheet of flat plate stamps had setoffs all over the sheet.

I would agree that when you don't see a setoff it's time to get out your templates.
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Posted 05/21/2015   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nl1947 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NO confusion on my part since several factors produce the setoff on any given stamp.
Just a pretty reliable indicator.
Good for others to know.
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Posted 05/21/2015   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For U.S. coils, especially for distinguishing flat plate from rotary press, a Kiusalas gauge is a must since flat plate coils were perforated by a different kind of perforator than rotary press coils.
Kiusalas 10-79 (above 9.90 perforations per 2 cm) for flat plate and Kiusalas 10-80 (below 9.90 perforations per 2 cm) for rotary press coils. All perforation 12 and perforation 8.5 coils are flat plate.
Only perforation 10 coils are both flat plate and rotary press. There are no U.S. perforation 11 coils.
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Edited by jogil - 05/21/2015 3:15 pm
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Posted 05/21/2015   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So is this considered flat plate..??

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Edited by wert - 05/21/2015 4:39 pm
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Posted 05/21/2015   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a perforation 12 stamp so that it is a flat plate.
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Posted 05/21/2015   6:53 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the 3 coils, on each stamp there is at least one of the non-perfed edges that is rough, not a straight line, and could be showing some evidence of perfs that have been trimmed.

The flat plate coils are really, really tough and there are more fakes out there than genuine copies. Again, I'm more of an 1861 3c guy, but my guess is that all 3 are not genuine....

Hope this helps and that I'm wrong....Ray
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Thank you Ray-Mac
I have had various "opinions" on these & not enough value to send in for cert.
Anyway - the reason there are so many collections on auctions - in the final analysis - just amusing bits of paper that no one takes with them.
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