2¢ Jackson Of 1870-1873

hallo, if this stamp scott #157a?








Secret Mark?

please help me, thanks.

Not 157 at all. This is #146 from the National Bank Note Co.

But I see you know where to look for the secret mark. That's good. It isn't on this one though.

BTW 157a in the current Specialized refers to Double Paper. Do you think you are seeing something like that on this one?

thanks @essayk.

I have compared to with stamp







the paper is different?

>Not 157 at all. This is #146 from the National Bank Note Co.
the paper is soft porous; light "mottled" look?

Scott U.S. 157 is found on hard white wove paper, double paper,intermediate paper, and ribbed paper. When held up to light, the hard white paper is translucent, but the double and the intermediate paper appear mottled like soft paper.

By the time soft paper was used for the 2 cent large banknote, the color had been changed to Vermillion. Below are two Continental 2 cent stamps, on the left is a double paper and on the right is an intermediate paper, and below them is a Scott #183, the American 2 cent large banknote.

If the last stamp you showed (partial red cancel) looks mottled like the top two stamps I'm showing, its either double paper or intermediate paper. There is no soft paper 2 cent brown large banknote.

Phil's comments are good for Scott #157, but I hope there will be no confusion in this case, since the OP stamp is a product of the National Bank Note Co. and not Continental. The color shade of the stamp coupled with the complete absence of the secret mark is enough to settle that. This stamp is a #146. For stamps of NBNCo the usual categories of intermediate and double paper are not available.

That having been said, there are anomalous papers among the products of the NBNCo. Their properties are being investigated by advanced students of these issues, but apart from bare observations there is not yet enough to report. I have seen examples which appear to show a more open mesh than normally, but how that compares with the later papers used by Continental I cannot say quantitatively. Do stamps like this all have the same thickness? I do not know. Do they have the same fluorescent characteristics as other stamps of National? I don't know (too close to judge without some kind of spectrometer). Are they very common? I don't think anyone has been on a serious quest for them, and unpicked mixtures (the best source for random samples) are all but non existent for these stamps these days.

So what do I think he's got? A #146 with a more open mesh than average - IFF it has the mesh characteristics he has said.

The top surface does have a "grainy" look close up, but without being able to see the stamp I cannot assess it in comparison with other, more finished looking stamps. Maybe it's the angle and the lighting. I cannot tell. Transillumination side by side with an unquestioned example of #146 in the same lighting might be more revealing. But we don't have that.

Is it an interesting stamp? If it is as described, then yes, I think it might be, for paper study. Is it worth more money? Not really, but that depends upon the person to whom you are trying to sell it.

thanks @essayk.

I have all stamps scanning.





I can not to distinguish for color, what is #146 and #157. the stamp 2. line right have a grill.

Those with an authentic grill are all #135 and they are products of the National Bank Note Co. only. They will guide you in the color and design features to look for so you can recognize the 2c stamps of the NBNCo.

If the colors in the scans I see on my screen are true to the colors of these stamps in daylight, then all six of these stamps are products of NBNCo, and, if I understood what you said, those in the top row would be #146.

National BNCo
135 - red brown, no secret mark, hard wove paper, grill
146 - red brown, no secret mark, hard wove paper

Continental BNCo
157 - brown, secret mark (various papers)
168 - dark brown, secret mark, special hard paper
178 - vermilion, secret mark, (various papers)
180 - carmine vermilion, secret mark, special hard paper

American BNCo
183 - vermilion, secret mark, soft paper
193 - black brown, secret mark, special soft paper
203 - scarlet vermilion, secret mark, special soft paper

thanks @essayk, all stamps to be #146 (#135 grill).