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Bluish Paper Scott #361?

 
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Posted 07/04/2015   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dittrich to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hallo, is right stamp scott #361?







thanks.
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Posted 07/04/2015   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
no....
right stamp just dirty.
Actually the LEFT stamp is closer to bluish than
the RIGHT...(from the front view)
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Posted 07/04/2015   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think so. Blue paper is actually bluer than this
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Posted 07/04/2015   12:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a link to a reference specimen in the US national collection.

http://arago.si.edu/flash/?s1=5|sq=361|sf=0
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Posted 07/04/2015   1:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks @cjpalermo1964, rdavid, kevin504

I wash this stamp, font and back color is light off-white to grayness
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Posted 07/04/2015   1:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The paper color is likely the result of toning, color change due to a mix of age and acid damage. It could gradually turn more and more brown if it gets continued exposure to the acidic paper that caused it in the first place. The wash you did and keeping it in modern materials will probably arrest further degradation.
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Posted 07/04/2015   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is important to remember that "Bluish Paper" is actually gray, not "blue". A terribly bad catalog description, which has never been corrected, and has been misleading collectors and dealers since they were issued!
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Posted 07/05/2015   06:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks @bill weiss... "Bluish Paper" is actually gray, not "blue"!

I have checked left stamp from first posting and compared to other stamps. alle stamps have DL Watermark.


right stamp (left stamp from first posting) had upside-down DL Watermark (P)





if this stamp #361 is?
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Edited by dittrich - 07/05/2015 06:31 am
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Posted 07/05/2015   09:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
None of these look gray to me (especially the bottom one on piece). Can you put up pictures with them laying on yellow paper instead of the orange you are using?
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Posted 07/05/2015   10:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Having seen a genuine 361 at the Smithsonian, I agree with Bill. Once you see them in person, your view on this issue changes forever. Compared to other stamps the paper looks ash gray and is unmistakable. These do not come close.
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Posted 07/05/2015   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@thanks... here the two stamps from first posting of yellow paper.







what do you make of stamps? light grey oder not?

http://www.philatelicfoundation.org...layPaper.pdf
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Edited by dittrich - 07/05/2015 3:53 pm
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Posted 07/05/2015   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bill Weiss to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No. Sorry.
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Posted 07/05/2015   9:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dittrich, sometimes I think it's a conspiracy. lol
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Posted 07/08/2015   3:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hallo my check with one cent. Bluish Paper stamp present?





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Posted 07/08/2015   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add HungaryForStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bluish paper should be pretty obvious next to white paper.

Look here for an example (Section 5): http://www.jamesdire.net/W-F.html
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Posted 07/08/2015   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hungary is right. The speckled or mottled appearance of the bluish (grayish) paper is unmistakable adjacent to a conventional example. Try scanning the reverse of the stamps on orange or yellow paper. The one you think is bluish is not likely to look like the speckled-mottled bluish one in the above link.
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