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Group Looks Like 10`s Or 10A`s. What Do You Think?

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Posted 12/03/2015   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Dear Members,
I pulled this group out from a collection of covers. These looked more like 10s or 10As. Many others were clearly 11s. I have read some of the SCF informative threads and links on this subject. Still not completely clear. Would like to ask for your valued opinions!

Respectfully,
Bob












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Posted 12/03/2015   12:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My valued opinion? Saying nothing about 10's, 10A's or 11's - my opinion is simply that I like all of 'em!
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Posted 12/03/2015   2:10 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
None of these appear to be 10 or 10A. One has a very small chance and that is the Newport, RI cover. I don't think that it is an OB stamp but it is the closest of the group. A better scan would be good.
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Posted 12/03/2015   2:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice collection of Hunt covers!

In addition to the Newport cover, the Oct 28 Providence cover has a shot at being a #10A. Closeup scans of these stamps of at least 600 DPI would help a lot.

Three of the covers are dated 1857. Usages of #10s in 1857 or later are one in a million at best.

That leaves the Jun 25 Providence cover, which appears to have too much red, and is likely brownish carmine.

Please show more from the collection!
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Posted 12/03/2015   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sinclair2010 & Blaamand,
Thanks. So sorry to waste anyones time. The stamp on the Newport RI cover is cropped and attached. I think Blaamand could have something. If I decide to put them on the market, I should just referr to them as 3 Cent Washington`s.
Bob

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Posted 12/03/2015   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You could refer to them as 1851 to 1857 3-cent imperforates, but I recommend taking your time to get a better handle on what you have. You also may find buyers here (I'd be interested) that may pay more than what you may get for them elsewhere.

The stamp in your close-up looks like it could be a #10A (orange brown), but your scanner's color reproduction could be off a bit. Brownish carmine (#11A) is still a possibility. Do you see some orange in the color (in person)?

Can you show a closeup of the Oct 28 Providence stamp?
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Posted 12/03/2015   3:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also look for plate position annotations on the backs of the covers such as 23R5e or Plate 1L, etc. These will tell you whether they are #10 or #11.
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Posted 12/03/2015   4:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Classic Coins,
Thank you so much for your interest. What a nice invitation to post more covers. When you said Hunt covers, you hit the nail on the head. I have sold some on ebay but still have over 200. Many NYC & Prov RI cancels. Some I sent to PSE back in 2009. My great, great grandfather was a Prov RI bussinessman. He had dealings with attorney George Hunt. Somehow I ended up with a box of covers and letters.
I struggled with posting 6 covers, not wanting to waste anyone's time.
I will try to take a closer look at what I have. Many are nicer than the ones I posted. I think they are 11s, 25s, 26s, 64s & 65s.
I am not sure if I posted say 6 at a time over several months if that would be nervy or bother some folks.
Respectfully,
Bob

Just saw your request for the Oct. 28th Prov RI stamp. I will post it as soon as I can.
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Posted 12/03/2015   4:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp forum has been quiet lately. Posting more frequently is not a problem. Closeups of the stamps are more helpful if you're looking for stamp IDs. Just let us know which covers are year-dated, and if there are any other helpful annotations on the covers, including the backs.
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Posted 12/03/2015   5:03 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will second CC's statement. Post all of pics/high res scans you want. The more information you give us the more we can tell you. Good images are a must, especially if there is nothing else to go on. I think with plating the Newport, RI item will end up being a Plate 2L, Scott 11A stamp.
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Posted 12/03/2015   5:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just got back in.
Attached is the cropped Oct 28 Prov. RI stamp.

Thank you so much for your willingness to help. You do not see that so much these days. I will try to go slow and look closer at what I have. DNA mentioned that to me as well in a previous thread.

To CC, Nice thought on the 1851-1857 3 Cent imperforates.
I hope to learn about plating. I could not tell you anything about plating to save my life. I have read of it in many different
threads. Mostly references of, not how to.
Bob

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Posted 12/03/2015   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rlmstamps2012,

Your second closeup probably is a #11A, and your first closeup probably is, too (agreeing with sinclair2010's post above). Your second stamp has one line recut in the upper left triangle, and a guide dot merged with the bottom of the lower-right diamond block. Shouldn't be too hard for us to plate.

Do these two stamps look more red to you or more orange (in person)? On my screen they both come across as brownish carmine, rather than orange brown, but your scanner may not have rendered the colors accurately.
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Edited by Classic Coins - 12/03/2015 7:10 pm
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Posted 12/03/2015   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With my inexperienced eyes, and with the a help of a
Wonder Color Guide. I would say both of them could
be more red than orange.
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Posted 12/03/2015   7:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another thought,
Since the majority of covers are between husband & wife
over some years could it be possible that some are from
the same plates??
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Posted 12/04/2015   12:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your seeing more red than orange helps confirm that these are #11A rather than #10A.


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Since the majority of covers are between husband & wife
over some years could it be possible that some are from
the same plates??


Do you mean the same sheets? Same plates--Likely; same sheets--highly unlikely.

Back then most letters were carried to the post office and handed to a postal clerk, who cut a stamp from a sheet at the counter and affixed it to the letter. Most people didn't go to the post office, buy a bunch of stamps, and take them home to use later like we have in the last 100 years.
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Posted 12/04/2015   07:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Intruding now maybe.

But what type is this one if I may ask the experts opinion ? :).



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