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What Are Essays And Proofs Good For?

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Posted 12/10/2015   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add essayk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
If catalog values and auction pricing can be indicators of demand, it would seem that very few collectors actively collect US essays or proofs, and a fair number of collectors won't have anything to do with them. In view of their beauty, acknowledged by most, that seems an odd situation. So, where are you on that?

I don't collect essays or proofs because:

[Motivations can be complex, so a comment would be helpful.]

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Posted 12/10/2015   1:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kollectorkurt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am only interested in proof and essay items for the few Classics which I have started specialized collections.

While I agree that proofs are very attractive and do enhance a collection, they are also not truly "postage stamps" by design. I find them both over-valued as catalogued and over-priced in the market.

Essay pieces are an even more highly specialized area to collect. Most(?) never became stamps. I do have some trial color examples, again in Classic collections, but zero desire to add beyond that.
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Posted 12/10/2015   1:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't found any real ones for a reasonable price. There are some absolutely beautiful German essays that I'd love to have--and they are reasonably priced--but I have no real means of determining if they are genuinely proposed designs or just a money making scheme.
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Posted 12/10/2015   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's an example. It's not my favorite, but I do like it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Germany-896...VY78TndlY7EA

Seeing as I could be just as happy making a copy, how would I ever know it was worth the investment?
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Posted 12/10/2015   1:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lukusw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love the story inherent in Essays and Proofs (i.e. being part of the process of stamp production), but at this point the cost has prevented me from getting more than just a couple (and those are average condition at best). When I consider what actual postage stamp(s) I can pick for the same price, the postage stamps usually always win. Nevertheless, I would certainly like to think that someday I will have a number of Essays/Proofs as part of a way to present the story of how some of my favorite US Classics or Wash Franks were produced.
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Posted 12/10/2015   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am in the process of writing an article about Proofs for the January 2016 issue of The Stamp insider, the online publication of the New York State Philatelic Societies. One group of collectors who really need proofs are exhibitors of traditional issues and also exhibitors of First Day Covers. Proofs are essential to help show the pre-production activities before the actual stamp is printed. One of my collecting interests in Scott #903 (US), the 3c Vermont Statehood issue of 1941. 2 large lots of both small and large die proofs of US stamps from the 1930-1950s were just sold at auction in the last month to James Lee, the premier proof and essay dealer in the US.

I was able to add to my 903 collection both a large die proof and a small die proof on wove paper. The price was not insignificant.




SMALL DIE PROOF ON WOVE PAPER



LARGE DIE PROOF
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Edited by Glenn Estus - 12/10/2015 6:42 pm
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Posted 12/10/2015   7:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glenn, that`s a lovely stamp!
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Posted 12/10/2015   7:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KGB, March 3, 2016 is the 75th Anniversary of the issuance of the stamp. I'm trying to arrange for some sort of pictorial commemoration on that day in Montpelier.

Here are some photographic essays of unused designs which are also in my collection:







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Edited by Glenn Estus - 12/10/2015 7:53 pm
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Posted 12/10/2015   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That sounds great. Does the view look much the same today?
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Posted 12/10/2015   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The view is a little different today. A few more buildings around the Capitol and less trees. BTW, a little bit of trivia. Montpelier is the only state capital with no McDonalds!
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Posted 12/10/2015   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Madison, Wisconsin has a McDonald's right on the square!
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Posted 12/10/2015   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You left off the poll that it's a good alternate for the expensive items.




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Posted 12/11/2015   12:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My thanks to all of you who have responded so far. I am particularly intrigued that even though I constructed the poll to give reasons why people would NOT wish to collect E&P material, some of the respondents took it to a different place by giving reasons why they DO collect them.

Obviously with the user name and avatar I have selected for use on this list, my own bias is well known (or certainly not a difficult secret to figure out). I first fell in love with E&P material, especially die items, back in 1968, because of a display the Post Office Department then had up at the Wisconsin Federation of Stamp Clubs Show that year. I didn't buy my first one until five years later, but I was smitten. That first purchase was a large die proof of #300 that has turned out to be an unlisted essay - which I still have. But it illustrates a point I want to make.

With most stamps, when you have gone through the steps necessary for identification, and can give it a catalog number, you are done. But with stamp essays, and to a lesser extent certain proofs, the catalog itself is a work in progress, and what you have may actually be a new discovery. Let me illustrate with a couple of items I just purchased at that same auction to which Glenn referred.



In the Scott Specialized the item on the left is listed as 147-E8, a progress essay of the National Bank Note Co on its way to becoming the first 3c Bank Note Issue. The item on the right is a first stage essay of the Continental Bank Note Co. for a redesign proposal they submitted in 1877; Scott listed as 184-E9 in the colors of green and black.

Ron Burns, an advanced student of these 3c stamps, has an example of the former and the example of the latter in black. So far as is known, I have the only other of the former and the only example in green of the latter. That's nice I suppose, but here is the fun part: In an exhibit in 2006 Ron suggested that the progress essay on the left is actually a stage in the development of the essay on the right, and not the work of the National Bank Note Co. In a preliminary study using overlay scans, I think I can demonstrate that he is right. Now that I have the material I am sure the case will be made, and the catalog will have to be rewritten on the identity of the essay on the left. It gets more complicated than that, but you get the idea I am sure. These are significant pieces, and truly rare, yet in terms of cost the sum of the two came to less than $1000.

My point is that there is real opportunity for new discovery in the study of essays and proofs, which are not ancillary to the stamps that grew out of them but rather are fundamental. If you have a bent for story telling with the material you collect, these are an unending source of stories that even the general public finds captivating when they see the behind-the-scenes material for the first time.

Something to think about.
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Posted 12/11/2015   02:05 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don'tt collect essays and proofs - can't afford another expensive area of printed ephemera - but they're undoubtedly interesting. You may like this piece by an auctioneer on the sale of a nineteenth century Spanishissue. Some great illustrations of the design process

http://www.warwickandwarwick.com/re...so-xii-issue

Geoff
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Posted 12/11/2015   10:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I occaisonally collect essays/TC/proof from classic issues. Examples would be "August" designs for which obtaining the actual stamp (previous Scott 57,59,60) would be essentially impossible and also essays from the 1869's. Some of the trial colors for the 3 cent locomotive are outstanding and I might have actually preferred them to the blue/ultramarine for the actual stamp.
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Posted 12/11/2015   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ddreisba to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't collect them because I'm not sure what they are, and because there are so many real stamps I would like.

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