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Fancy Cancels-Are These Real?

 
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Posted 04/09/2016   9:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bobplates to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I purchased a collection and this lot was included on a loose auction page(probably 1960's vintage-I didn't recognize the auctioneers name).

I am assuming that these are fake but I know little about fancy cancels. Anybody willing to opine on what I have here?

Thanks in advance for your time.

Bob


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Posted 04/09/2016   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why do you think the cancels might be faked? As far as I know, the cancels wouldn't add anything to an unused stamp's value. (The fifth stamp, however, might be an exception; I've never seen that one. Well, the second stamp's cancel looks pretty strange to me; goofy comes to mind.) Let's hear from the fancy cancel experts here!
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Posted 04/09/2016   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 5th stamp (Scott #210) is cancelled by a Wheel of Fortune cancel. They were used at many post offices during the 1880s, not especially rare, but not too common either. Well struck on a clean envelope, the Wheel of Fortune can be an impressive cover.

Here are two of the three Wheels of Fortunes known from Vermont.







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Posted 04/09/2016   11:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The United States Philatelic Classics website has Cole's book on fancy cancels available for free as a pdf. http://www.uspcs.org/resource-cente...nic-library/ - COLE – Cancellations and Killers of the Banknote Era, 1870-1894

That can be used to help identify some of your cancels and give a wealth of information. That second stamp's cancel should be under "Masks".
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Posted 04/10/2016   06:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What happened? a post to this topic on my tablet which said that the poster thought the first stamp's cancel looked rather fake. When I went to my desktop to respond the post was gone.

However, this "3D" star cancel was also used at a number of post offices in the 1880s and 1890s. It was usually part of a duplex cancel.

Here's an example from West Corinth Vermont.



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Posted 04/10/2016   07:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glenn,
That post was there for a few minutes but the poster deleted it.
Don
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Edited by 51studebaker - 04/10/2016 07:23 am
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Posted 04/10/2016   09:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hahaha, the first cancel was the one I was most comfortable with.
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Posted 04/10/2016   12:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would be the most skeptical about the last stamp. Anybody could have a rubberstamp of a star. I think the other designs are less likely to be found with a contemporary rubberstamp.
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Posted 04/10/2016   12:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vinman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They look good to me. I would like to see a scan of the back of the second stamp, the one with the face cancel.
Vince
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Posted 04/10/2016   3:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that second one (from the left) is a face
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Posted 04/10/2016   10:42 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
face = jack-o-lantern?
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Posted 04/11/2016   06:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By coincidence, as I was working on my upcoming publication, County/Postmaster Cancels of New York State, I scanned Castleton Corners, Richmond County as an illustration. Here's another example of a Wheel of Fortune cancel. Another name for Richmond County is State Island.

Unfortunately, the top part of the cancel was off the envelope.


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Posted 04/11/2016   10:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobplates to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am away from my stamps right now

When I return I will post a reverse image of the "mask" stamp as requested.

Lots of great information here and a loud shoutout for the link to the Cole book!

Bob
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