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Just Discovered New Freak On Flags Of Nations Stamps

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Posted 05/02/2010   09:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Battlestamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey folks,
I bought one of those new Flags of the Nationsstamps, 4th series - roll of 500 self-adhesive. These just came out less than 2 weeks ago. I popped the roll open to use some stamps to mail an order and noticed the perforations are a bit odd. The bottom six perfs on the right and left sides are shifted over - a mis-perforation. Not a major error I don't think, but a freak none the less. I compared them to some listings on ebay and the ebay listing didn't show any perf shift so it's not intentional. Anyone else hear or read anything about this yet?


Only the first 27 stamps of the roll have this perf shift. The rest appear normal. Some lucky buyer is getting these on covers used as seen in the picture. Not sure what to do with the rest. I bought them from the Hoosick, NY post office and I don't know if they have more. Will
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Posted 05/02/2010   10:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Too bad they weren't used on my order. I have 2 rolls but mine are just fine. Good find!
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Posted 05/02/2010   11:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

That really is intriguing, and blows my understanding
of "kiss cut" or "diecut" stamps plumb out of the water.

As I understood it, generally the stamp paper is cut with a preformed
and shape-dedicated knife, that by its very nature remains constant.
I cannot see how this has occurred.

The only way I can explain it, is perhaps the coils remain in
sheet form around rollers, and they are diecut across the sheet
prior to slicing into rolls, the die cut across the sheet
would have to be made with two joined knives, which have somehow
shifted.


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Posted 05/02/2010   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Check out this article on recent Canada serpentine die-cut flower and Olympic coil stamps.
http://www.adminware.ca/LoweMartin/index.htm
Lowe-Martin is one of the printing houses in Canada.

The die cutting, if similar to how the printer does it for Canada stamps, is probably done by a metal band that is stretched accordion-like across a 'plate' or die-cutting mat and your assumption about the multiple rolls of coils printed together is correct (for Canada anyway!).

Thus the 'perfs' are all different on each stamp, measuring in the 0.05 range (ex. 7.15), especially if the coil rolls have 'tabs' between the stamps to hold them on the roll so they don't curl off, which are , again if similar to Canada) in slightly different positions across the 'mat' of 10 or however many rolls of stamps.

A temporary movement caused by ?? in one of the cutting 'bands' could cause such a (rather nice) perforation disturbance I would think.

edit: Now that I reread that last sentence I disagree with myself. Something would have had to move a lot of bands, or at least two, to cause such a thing.
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Edited by Puzzler - 05/02/2010 11:38 am
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Posted 05/02/2010   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, I do like these stamps. I must get some!
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Posted 05/02/2010   12:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the information about how it may have happened. I'll just have to keep an eye open to see if any others turn up elsewhere. Unfortunately, I'm going out of town in a couple of hours and won't be back home until Friday to see if the post office has any more like rolls. This is the first time I've come across such an oddity by buying something at the post office.
Will
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Posted 05/02/2010   3:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They would be of supreme interest to an over-excited, Jumping-up-and-down, drooling-from-the-lips Flags topical Collector.

I wonder if there is one around?

Londonbus1
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Posted 05/02/2010   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I just passed the picture and information along to Linn's to see if they are interested in reporting it at all. Who knows?
Will
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Posted 05/02/2010   10:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldtriguy1960 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have one with a similar die cut error from the first FOON series.

https://goscf.com/t/6373

BUt I hadn't seen any from set 2 and this is the first I've seen from Set 3.

By the way, the FOON series seem to still be able to be soaked off paper with warm water and a drop of detergent. I let mine soak overnight and then agian for about 5 minutes in warm water to warm them up before I pull them off the paper. I only loose about 5-10%.

Dave N.
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Posted 05/02/2010   10:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Puzzler,
that is a great piece of information, with new venacular, "nibs" and "ski slopes" etc etc.
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Posted 05/03/2010   1:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just a minor correction: The issue is called Flags or Our Nation rather than Flags of Nations. Other than the nation's Stars and Stripes all flags on this issue are US state and US territory flags No other nation's flags are included.
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Canada
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Posted 05/03/2010   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, I believe the US version of the horizontal Canada ski-slope is (because it is vertical) called a cobra cut.

You can see it on the examples scanned in the first post.
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Posted 05/03/2010   8:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks puzzler, I googled but there wasn't a great deal
of examples.
I use "oldtriguy's" post example now as cobra cut.
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Posted 10/15/2010   3:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My find just made the latest (Oct. 25th issue - page 16) issue of Linn's Stamp News. There's now an explanation as to what happened to create the die cut freak.
Will :)
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Posted 10/15/2010   6:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wow cool..
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Posted 10/15/2010   6:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldtriguy1960 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So what is the explanation?
I have some with this die cut offset.

Dave N.
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