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Posted 11/19/2011   1:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another superb thread in a week of superb threads !


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Between these Se-Tenants and the Definitives I will be going crazyyyyyyyyyyyy!


I am already crazy !
So don't worry.

Cjd's/Linn's slant on the Stamp with label seems good...


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the stamp could be described as a 30¢ stamp with se-tenant label.


The word label would need to be stated I believe.


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The labels can also be considered Se-Tenant in this case


I took this to mean the two labels together and not with a stamp


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Australia's true Se-tenant are different stamps 'with value shown', so either stamp can be used as/for postage


Thisa is how I see it too. It appears that it's a case of terminology being different from one side of the world to the other, from one catalogue to the other and to each his own.
We found this out in other threads during the last few days.


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I dare not show the New Zealand Circular ones, for fear some will come down on me like a ton of bricks. ! .




Mmmm! Interesting thought.
This one is not a Se-Tenant but it has been made to look a bit like it. A Semi-Postal with simulated perfs, the two values on either side made to like two seperate stamps !!



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Posted 11/19/2011   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just another spin on the term "se-tenant", as described in the "free" Stanley Gibbons booklet posted on another thread:

http://www.stanleygibbons.com/media...OKLET.pdf%20

In page 3 of that booklet it specifically refers to "stamps" (only):

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Edited by wt1 - 11/19/2011 2:08 pm
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Posted 11/19/2011   2:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A nice Se-Tenant from the nature, a block of 4.


...and the real thing from our back yard. It took'm a week to catch
him.



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Edited by fifia - 11/20/2011 10:55 am
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Posted 11/19/2011   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I take issue with Stanley Gibbons' definition of se-tenant...


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Where...different stamps are designed to be seen together.


What they describe is a subset of a larger group. Yes, many (most?) composite designs are probably se-tenant, but not all se-tenant stamps are designed to be seen together.

We can (and have, in this thread) come up with lots of examples where there is no component of stamps "designed to be seen together." Putting one different value in a booklet pane to round to a convenient price for purchase will result in se-tenant stamps, but those stamps are not designed to be seen together (in the way they mean it).
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Posted 11/20/2011   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Se-Tenant Block of 4



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Edited by fifia - 11/20/2011 11:11 am
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Posted 11/20/2011   2:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's an unusual one ... a se-tenant hologram. Did anyone other than the US ever issue se-tenant holograms on stamps?

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Posted 11/20/2011   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Did anyone other than the US ever issue se-tenant holograms on stamps?


Pretty sure Netherlands 1026a would be se-tenant holograms.

Not sure about Canada 1442a...at least one is a hologram...both? [nope...only 1442 is a hologram; the se-tenant stamp is a regular issue] I don't have them. (They're space-related, too.)

Here is the Netherlands pane:



This is a 1999 I Love Stamps issue.
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Edited by Cjd - 11/20/2011 2:49 pm
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Posted 11/20/2011   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's another US space issue likely to put a "wrench" in the subject of se-tenant stamps. When you have a pentagon-shaped stamp and it is attached only in the one corner, is it se-tenant? If you were to tear apart this sheetlet and keep the unperforated portion of paper next to each stamp, would it be considered se-tenant? Or if you chose to keep the blank pentagonal center label attached to two or more of the actual stamps, would it be a se-tenant with gutter label?

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Posted 11/20/2011   8:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

these are pairs?









The Kabe Album Company published these privately issued stamps for Day of the Postage Stamp, 10 January 1937.



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Posted 11/21/2011   11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My Se-Tenant for today

a block of 8?


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Edited by fifia - 11/21/2011 4:53 pm
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Posted 11/21/2011   12:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A wanna be se-tenant

work of Rafaello Sanzio - Raphaël
Engraved by Jackie Larriviere

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Edited by fifia - 11/21/2011 12:36 pm
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Posted 11/21/2011   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of the oldest and most valuable


St Louis postmaster provisional 2 copies 11X6 one se-tenant with 11X4 postmarked May 26, 1846. Sold about 4 years ago for $150,000.

One of the most unusual


Henry Loewenberg decalcomania essay (79-E2) with 3 cent U.S. se-tenant with French 1c. Printed by National Bank Note Co. about 1864-65.
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Posted 11/22/2011   10:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Se-Tenant block of six?





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Edited by fifia - 11/22/2011 12:25 pm
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Posted 11/22/2011   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lovely items everyone.
I'm not sure what to call anything anymore after seeing wt1's Pentagon sheet.
I think we should shut up shop and go home !

Labels, no labels, 1 stamp,strips,Triptych,Composites.....

I'll just post this and run.
No stamps at all in this one...but still Se-Tenant !




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Posted 11/23/2011   1:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice stamps..
Se-tenant Triptych?


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