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Cinderella - Austrian?

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Posted 08/16/2012   6:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Bamra1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




Sold to me as Bosnian, but I'm convinced it isn't. Has a look of Austria.

Anyone recognise it and know its function in life?
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Posted 08/16/2012   6:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Any chance of a larger image?
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Posted 08/16/2012   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anglez to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It certainly has the look of an Austrian design, but could be from parts of their former empire. 1919 was the year that many of the independent states began issuing their own stamps. The "Stempel" cancellation suggests it may have some fiscal or franking purpose and woth a look in related revenue catalogues.
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Posted 08/16/2012   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Being able to tell who the personage on the stamp is will help immenseley. Is it Maria Theresa? Maria Hilf?
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Posted 08/16/2012   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's my copy:


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Posted 08/17/2012   12:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first thing to strike me, was the boldness of the "1919"
this is typical of a Russian set.
The vignette is perplexing.
Male or female? headdress? is that a helmet?
No clues so far in the spandrels design.
Albeit there seem to be a number of "stars"

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Edited by rod222 - 08/17/2012 12:09 am
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Posted 08/17/2012   12:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it perhaps Pallas Athena ?
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Posted 08/17/2012   12:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stars are 6-pointed. It is the Star of David.
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Posted 08/17/2012   12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed, but not pertinent I think, in this case.
The 6 pointed star also features widely
on the design of the stamps of Trinidad.

I would almost certainly guess something to do with Russia,
we had the Spartacist uprising in Berlin 1919
and the Russian civil war with foreign intervention.

It looks like it has stumped SCF! :)

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Posted 08/17/2012   01:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cancellation on both copies apears to be in German: "...KONTROLL STEMPEL".
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Edited by nigelc - 08/17/2012 01:07 am
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Posted 08/17/2012   01:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add klange to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's some info found at:
http://schroders-alumni.coloni.net/...default.aspx

Caroline Shaw, Schroders Archivist, has written this blog as she wanted to share some of the more interesting and unusual aspects of her work with past and present employees of Schroders. We hope that you will enjoy reading it.

19/12/11
A very dull stamp
I came across a very dull stamp last week: no denomination, no country name, no distinguishing features at all apart from the date, 1919. Naturally, I was intrigued.

The clue was in the overstamping: D.Ö. Kontroll-Stempel.

This turned out to be from a country I had never before heard of - the Deutsch-Österreich or Republic of German Austria. When the Austro-Hungarian Empire collapsed in 1918 at the end of the first world war, the Republic of German Austria took over a rather vaguely defined territory intended to comprise the German-speaking parts of the erstwhile empire. It was superseded in October 1919 by an Austrian republic whose borders were determined by the post-war treaties.

The stamp was stuck on an insert to a bond issued in April 1914 for the old empire. J. Henry Schröder & Co and N.M. Rothschild & Sons had jointly managed the London tranche of the issue, and it had been considered a great success at the time.

War and the collapse of states are never good for bondholders however. The bond that found its way into Schroders' vault had another overstamping marking it as "unsecured" and, for whatever reason, dividend payments were never made against the coupons attached to the bond.






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Posted 08/17/2012   01:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice searching, Kurt!

Now Nigel, is that LB1's stamp? I found a post from 2008 by LB1 showing the exact same stamp.
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Edited by khj - 08/17/2012 01:24 am
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Posted 08/17/2012   02:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It looks like it has stumped SCF! :)


Pffft! What do I know?

Excellent work Kurt
that was a doozy.

I was just about to post, I doubted it was from Germany,
because it is so untypical, no currency tablet, no script.
I was convinced it was a propaganda label

SCF does it again!
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Posted 08/17/2012   02:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kim,

I posted the same image of my copy on my first day's posting on StampWants back in May 2008!

We couldn't identify then but I see the first reply was from Kurt!



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Posted 08/17/2012   02:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Special thanks to you Kurt for solving a problem I've had for many years!
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Posted 08/17/2012   02:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I posted the same image of my copy on my first day's posting on StampWants back in May 2008!


Well Nigel, I guess LB1 must have posted your stamp on StampBoards, also in May 2008!!

Talk about a long-term group effort! The history of the search to ID this stamp is almost as interesting as the stamp ID itself!

k

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