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Stumped : Cape Of Good Hope - P Overprint On 1d

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Posted 09/30/2012   3:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add StampStudy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Recently received the following stamp and cannot find it anywhere :





Could be a revenue of some sort - any help appreciated.

Regards
Drew
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Posted 09/30/2012   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Opinion:
"P" looks passable for an Opt for whatever reason.
Always consider dodgy when I see perfect quadrant pmks
block out looks dodgy
Result : Highly suspicious.
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Posted 09/30/2012   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod,

To what end though ? I can't find any COGH 1d stamps that have been overprinted - It did come with a group of revenues from South Africa and Pre-Union, thats what led me to believe maybe a revenue of some sort.

I have done some brief searches with no luck.

Edit: I stand corrected - the 1d was overprinted for British Bechuanaland. Still nothing with a "P"
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Edited by StampStudy - 09/30/2012 4:18 pm
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Posted 09/30/2012   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As you know, stampstudy,
philately begins where the catalogue ends.
Time will probably solve this.
If nothing arrives whilst this thread lives in the "current" SCF page
then one begins to offer the example to dedicated
Cape blogs / collectors / links.

I'll look for you in Barefoot, see what's there.

I thought Bamra's scout cinderella would never be solved,
just an privately produced sticky jam jar label.
I open a British Magazine, yesterday, and there it is, staring
me in the face. :)

No Listing Barefoot
opts exist

cigarette duty
customs duty
insurance
patent and proprietary
penalty
1d on 6d lilac rev


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Edited by rod222 - 09/30/2012 4:37 pm
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Posted 10/01/2012   03:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Drew. Was this from the Stampex lot?
It was also overprinted 'G' or 'G.W' for Griqualand but no P anywhere to be seen.

On the Wikipedia page under further reading is a book mentioned - 0620070986 Postmarks of the Cape of Good Hope - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postag...qualand_West

Hopefully a club or society will have a copy as it is pretty expensive.
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Posted 10/01/2012   04:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for looking Rod, like you say the answer will present itself when ready

Anthony it was given to me by Londonbus and it jumped out as being odd. PS the stampex lot is supurb - some real finds there and very happy with the price paid.

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Posted 10/01/2012   10:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've looked in all my Commonwealth references now, both books and a bunch of bookmarks, and -- nothing.

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Posted 10/01/2012   11:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stampstudy, can you tell if the cancel is over the blob?

It appears to me that the "one penny" is blocked out and perhaps revalued, the actual value is omitted (in error), just the "p" for pence showing.

Of course such an overprint does not appear to be listed anywhere as mentioned above...
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Posted 10/01/2012   11:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did a string-search for "RLE" in a comprehensive list of Cape of Good Hope postmarks, and found only two:

Adderley St.
Airley

Since the partial letter preceding RLE looks more like an "E" than an "I," I would say the postmark is Adderley St. [Cape Town].

"...Adderley Street is a famous street in Cape Town, South Africa. It is considered the main street of the central business district (downtown) of Cape Town. The Christmas lights, night markets, main train station and numerous shops and restaurants and office towers are on this thoroughfare." (Wikipedia)
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Posted 10/01/2012   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I seen an australian stamp with just P. as well as PD and it was designated as police & Police Dept ovpt. That really doesn't help COGH but it may be same designation. I did see quite a few with roaming G ovpt . Just a thought- If Police, could they have simply affixed and crossed out value assuming since it was police matter it would be delivered regardless.
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Posted 10/01/2012   12:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Doug, that "R" could be a "P" with a blob below it. Though I would lean towards a "R".

It could be the overprint is shifted and was meant to cover "postage" and P refers to some revenue use (like "police" or something as Nitrolures suggested.)
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Posted 10/01/2012   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The problem is, the stamp has a clearly postal cancel. The original owner may have given his 5 year old a toy printing set at Christmas and the kid got very adept at "overprinting" Daddy's stamps, LOL.
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Posted 10/01/2012   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd think any surcharge with numeral missing would have a "d" instead of a "P"...



Now, could the overprint be inverted, too, and it really is a "d"? Then the blob would obliterate "Cape Of".

If this was an Indian state, I'd say "clandestine" but I like the 5 year old with printing set, too.
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Posted 10/01/2012   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also seen some COGH with the G ovpt that was all over the place in a smaller size font. I'm sure that was for griquoland (or however that is spelled)
The AUS with P from Police also had a period after the P .
The inverted d makes more sense.
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Posted 10/01/2012   1:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the interest taken,

I have taken two close ups 1) The "P" and 2) the bar . It looks a lot more suspect now.






The postmark does seem to be under the overprint.
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Posted 10/01/2012   3:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How the story of "Sleeping Beauty" originated:

==========

"Daddy, look! I made some stamps for Poochie!"

"What??? My Cape of Good Hope!?!
Go to your room! You are grounded for 16 years!"
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