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Rest in Peace
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Posted 03/02/2013   4:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
CSA 11


Advert cover front:


Advert cover back:


Jersey Shore YMCA postcard front:


Jersey Shore postcard back:
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Posted 03/02/2013   4:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice stuff!

I hope some day to look into CSA stamps, really look interesting!
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Posted 03/02/2013   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's my first one too. I bought it from an APS member so I know it's legit.
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Posted 03/02/2013   5:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dirtydan223 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
At the MICHIPEX show today, I picked up a nice Lindner stock book and 3 low value US airmails along with the most recent USPS issues from their table. Not a bad way to spend an hour or so. The stock book is my first one. Now I can get some of my stamps out of the glassines and envelopes that I have them in until I get some pages to put them on. Fun day.
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Posted 03/02/2013   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice ones Jeff. Welcome to the world of the Confederacy!
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Posted 03/02/2013   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I_L_S: You have something of a unique postmark in that last postcard shown. The Jersey Shore (Vilas Station) postmark was only in use for less than two years. It was established in March 1911 and discontinued December 31, 1912. It's not even listed in Jim Forte's Postal History Website!

Although Vilas, PA may have been an independent post office at one time, it was apparently re-designated as a "station" within Jersey Shore in 1911, resulting in the unique duplex postmark shown.

Maybe someone with a catalog of DPO's can identify the scarcity of that postmark, but common sense would suggest that a century old postmark only being in use for less than two years means there can't be that many of them left out there.
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Posted 03/02/2013   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have quite a few VILAS postmarks wt1 I actually look for them but none are duplex's. Tank you for the information. I usually go to Jim Forte's Postal History site but it's been down all day so ebay had to suffice. I also bought another Lighthouse binder and slipcase today too.
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Posted 03/02/2013   9:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I_L_S: Do you have a lot of Jersey Shore (Vilas Station) postmarks? I suspect not given the limited usage it had. Vilas was around for awhile pre-1912, so that one would be easier to acquire I imagine. The Jersey Shore (Vilas Station) cancel would be the scarce variety.

On another matter, I was curious about the Gre-Solvent Advertising Cover. As you probably know, you'd never get away with printing envelopes like that today, with a black stripe extending to the upper right hand corner where the stamp placement is to be.

Nevertheless, I was researching Gre-Solvent and actually found an ebay seller who has a can for sale!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-190...170985334848

It was apparently a popular product in its day based on these ads:



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Posted 03/03/2013   12:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I collect Jersey Shore Postmarks and postcards wt1 so I really do. I at least have 2 more vilas postmarks than the one shown. You infact helped me research them. They are not vilas STATION however.

https://goscf.com/t/25737&SearchTerms=vilas
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Posted 03/03/2013   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what that Gre-Solvent looked like (thank you WT1):



Here is what the YMCA looks like today:




And, since I'm at it I may as well put up a picture of ole' Jefferson Davis


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Posted 03/03/2013   09:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ILS, have you ever seen a picture of Mrs. Davis (his second wife). She was quite the beauty, and of course much younger.



Varina Howell Davis.
There is some recent internet discussion of her 'background' and the possibility she may have been of mixed race. Scandalous for a Confederate President of course, but I'd guess ol' Jeff didn't mind.
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On that 1912 postcard showing the YMCA, it is noted "N.Y.C. - Y.M.C.A. Building". What does N.Y.C. stand for?
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Posted 03/03/2013   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I Brake For Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why would cancellations appear on the back side, of the advert cover?


-IBFS
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Posted 03/03/2013   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjsstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Receiving marks.
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N.Y.C.= New York Central and Hudson Rail Road (N.Y.C. & H.R.R.) built a lot of the community centers for their workers' families to congregate at. The also built churches and two schools! It was part of the Vanderbilt lines during the industrial revolution.

WT1- I hadn't realized that fascinating bit of postal history you dug up there about the Vilas Station Postmark!? I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I hadn't really taken notice of it! Now I want to know it all! Would you please show me where you found the information on that please? I am just passionate about Jersey Shore Pennsylvania's history and even more-so on it's postal history!

Here Wt1, this may interest you- http://books.google.com/books?id=H7...0Pa.&f=false

Here is an old photo card I bought of a walkway that spanned from the S.Avis "shops" (rail yard) into Avis.
This picture has a notation on the back of 1917.


I used to play on those long abandoned tracks as a youngster and know exactly where this was. My Great Grandmother used to tell us about her and her 11 siblings crossing it every week to the market and back and always wondered what she was talking about? I know that the concrete pier in the foreground still exists but the rest of the structure is long gone.

My point being that the railroad brought new money into the town and breathed new life into Jersey Shore Pa. Prior to that it was a leftover logging town with "old money" stemming from the canal and it's logging industry.
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Quote:
On that 1912 postcard showing the YMCA, it is noted "N.Y.C. - Y.M.C.A. Building". What does N.Y.C. stand for?


I answered my own question, as I found out what "N.Y.C." means. It stands for New York Central's Y.M.C.A. as referenced here:



A bit misleading to the uninformed, as further research with the YMCA reveals that they at one time had designated many locations across the country "Railroad YMCA's", as provided in this rather lengthy explanation:


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As settlers spread across the Great Plains, missionaries of every denomination followed them, often directing their first efforts to the laborers who built the railways. YMCA staff soon realized that this mode of transportation provided an opportunity for them to travel to unsettled territories to establish more associations, and also to provide services to working men who were away from their familiar homes, families, and churches. The first traces of YMCA work on the railroad can be traced back to 1868, when 8 members of the Omaha, Nebraska association "prospected" the Union Pacific line as far as it was completed at the time, holding revival services at Laramie and Cheyenne, Wyoming, as well as further west on the line for construction workers.

The first organized effort which later lead to a program specifically for railroad employees can be traced to an idea of Henry W. Stager, a train dispatcher of the Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway. He was shocked by the callous attitude of a crowd viewing the body of a worker killed in an accident in the old Union Station in Cleveland, which disparaged the victim as "only a railroad man." The Cleveland YMCA was expanding its outreach at that time and had already been conducting Sunday services for railroad men and their families. A meeting of interested persons was called and the first Railroad YMCA was organized on April 14, 1872. George Cobb became the secretary and a reading room was dedicated at the Union Depot on June 1, 1872.
Richard Morse, who was the general secretary of the Executive Committee, later that year devoted a layover in Cleveland to an inspection of the reading room. Enthused by what he saw, he later asked Cornelius Vanderbilt to devote a room in the recently completed Grand Central Station in New York City to YMCA work. Enthusiasm gained momentum at the International Conference the following year, when George Cobb was granted five minutes to talk about railroad work, which he utilized fully by starting to talk on his way to the platform and finishing upon arrival back at his seat.

Over the next few years railroad associations were organized in Chicago, Erie, Baltimore, Boston and Detroit, as well as others organized by traveling secretary Lang Sheaff. Sheaff and other International Committee members prevailed upon Cornelius Vanderbilt, Jr., who had recently become a director with the New York association, to open a room in Grand Central Station. A room was given, but more importantly came the continued financial support of the Vanderbilts.
In June 1877 the International Committee and delegates at the International Convention decided to begin railroad work on a national basis. With funds from Vanderbilt, Edwin D. Ingersoll was hired as international secretary. The first railroad convention was held in Cleveland in October of the same year. At the second convention held in 1879, the relation of the railroad movement to the YMCA was worked out. The debate was whether the railroad branches should sever connections with the YMCA or stay in the fold: in the end it was decided that the work carried out would be most effective as a department within the YMCA.

After 1889, railroad work expanded with Clarence J. Hicks assuming the position of Railroad Secretary. The railroad department now began to directly approach railroad companies to establish YMCA branches at as many divisional points along a line as feasible. With this new approach, the railroads dealt directly with a representative of the national-level railroad department instead of each railroad association individually. John Moore assumed the secretaryship of the Railroad Department after Hicks' retirement in 1911. By this time local associations numbered 230, which were served by 518 secretaries and a combined budget of over one million dollars, of which nearly forty percent was provided by railroad companies, the rest by members.
At the turn of the century the American model for railroad work was experimented with abroad. The first attempt in Japan between 1891-1893 was unsuccessful, but in 1892 a railroad association was established in Coimbatore, India. On the success of India invitations came from Great Britain and France to advise on American applications. Work was also done in Russia and an association was established in Mexico City in 1902, with an American secretary.

The railroad Ys provided practical things such as clean beds, good meals, and hot showers, but also addressed the educational, spiritual, and recreational needs of the workers with Bible study, instructional courses on a variety of subjects, organized sports, and other activities. The YMCA's effective work with railroad men led it its establishing the Industrial Department in 1903, expanding its reach to miners, lumbermen, and other industrial workers.

In 1920 the name of the Railroad Department changed to the Transportation Department to "make its name conform to the inclusive character of its work." A merchant marine department was set up, with five posts in the U.S. and eight abroad.

Railroad associations were reduced by the depression and the changes in railroading. In the years 1930-1939, the number of association had gone from 196 to 117, members from some 118,000 to 87,462 and expenditures from $5.6 million to $3.6 million. By 1952 the number of associations was 116 and membership had rebounded to 129,093. Thirty years later the number of associations had shrunk to only 23. In the wake of the organizational changes associated with the move of YMCA headquarters to Chicago in the early 1980s, the Transportation Department was reorganized in 1983 as the separately incorporated Transportation YMCA of the USA. Due to the consolidation of rail lines and the changes in railroad technology, the Transportation Department disbanded in 1989.



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