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Posted 03/17/2013   10:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dicati to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone please let me know there is a Great Britain Sc 6 in this lot. Thank you

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Posted 03/17/2013   11:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Middle right, perhaps? Half cut to shape? I haven't checked a catalogue, but it looks like it qualifies.
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Posted 03/17/2013   11:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed. The rightmost stamp might be GB #6. However, your pic is way too small to confirm, or to determine the die. The die number is embossed at the base of the neck.

If genuine GB #6, it will have 2 straight silk threads, either 5mm apart or 20mm apart.

You will notice a 2 order of magnitude difference in the catalog price for a full square vs. cut to shape. Your stamp is not a full square, but it is not fully cut to shape, either. However, because it is cut diagonally on one side, the price drops pretty dramatically and will tend toward the cut to shape price. Estimated dealer retail value if genuine is in $10-$99 order of magnitude range.

The pic of the top stamp is also too small to determine what it is. It may be a proof, essay, or simply a reproduction.

Nice stamps. I really like these 3 embossed issues.
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Posted 03/17/2013   11:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dicati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the comments. Scott lists the cut to shape for these ones just about 15$. when I bid this lot, the only one I actually want is the middle top. The seller say in this lot there are two Sc 6. I am not an expert in GB, thus I send the pic here to see if there is any thing that can be misidentified as Sc 6. I guess I have to ask for a closed up pic the middle top.In case the middle top is a proof or an essay, any one know the CV? Thanks again Cjd and Khj.
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Posted 03/18/2013   12:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My outdated SG GB Specialised Vol 1 only mentions proofs/essays for the 6d and 1s stamps. There is a proof for the 10d, but it is before the frame and value inscriptions were added.

Beyond that, I am unaware of any proof/essay for the 10d. That is why I suggested it is simply a reproduction. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than I can chime in. Either way, it is NOT an actual #6. The early proofs/essays were made on Dickinson paper, so you should see 2 silk threads running through the paper.

If it really were a proof/essay, I find it very very hard to believe that the seller would not have sent it off to a major auction house. It looks a lot like a home-make album page.
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Posted 03/18/2013   10:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A real #6 would have tiny margins, relatively speaking. There was not much space between the stamps.

There is at least one philatelic exhibition souvenir piece with this stamp. I'll see if I can scare up an image of it. That would be my initial guess for the top middle 'stamp.'

But, clarification or correction is always welcome.
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Posted 03/18/2013   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had ruled out postal stationery in my mind, thinking the top and right margins might be too big, but looking at it again, I'm not sure it might not be a cut square.
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Posted 03/18/2013   10:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postal stationery is a possibility; however, the paper seems relatively white, which is why I suggested it might simply be a reproduction. It's hard to tell if the top "stamp" is embossed from the picture.

From 1889, Die 5 of the 10d was used for postal stationery. It would not have silk threads; again, it's hard to tell from the size of the picture, but I don't see any obvious silk threads. You'd pretty much have to have the stamp in hand in order to try to see the embossed die number, if you can see it at all.
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Posted 03/18/2013   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dicati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
when I have a closed up pic I'll post it here for clarification. Thank you for the comments
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Posted 03/27/2013   01:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dicati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, I've just got the image of the 10p stamp. Can anyone give me an opinion about this. Thank you
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Posted 03/27/2013   02:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If these are the exact resolution of the images that the seller is giving you, they are really LOUSY images. They have to give you MUCH better than a 402x408 picture.

I don't see any obvious silk thread. If so, then it does not appear to be on Dickinson silk thread paper, so it is NOT a Scott Great Britain #6. Then again, I don't see any silk threads in the other cut-to-shape examples -- but maybe it's because of the lousy resolution pictures.

If no silk threads, then it's something else or the picture resolution is insufficient.

Bottom line -- 1-2 silk threads running from very top all the way to very bottom is a requirement for a genuine #6. Likewise, you should not have such wide margins. I don't know what it is beyond my previous speculation, and I don't have the catalogs to verify which of my guesses (if any) it might be.



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Posted 03/27/2013   03:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rtvstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello friends!. The 10 pence is an Embossed Postal Stationery, cut-out (Die proof), normally they have a Little Die number below of the Queen.

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Posted 03/27/2013   04:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The back of the stamp should look like this.... it is an embossed issue after all.



Unlikely to be postal stationery as they have date plugs.
Unlikely to be a proof or essay as they were done without the downwards curl of the hair.
As already mentioned, the stamps were embossed individually and so that made large margins all round impossible... many were so close that "cut to shape" was done at point of sale by the postmaster.
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Posted 03/27/2013   11:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dicati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all of you, I can see the silk thread clearly from the image above, I'll ask for the image of the back. I just want to confirm that this is not # 6 and just a stationery? If this is a stationery can anyone give me the catalog ID and Cat value of this? Thank you
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Posted 03/27/2013   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is that the page might have one #6, and it might not have any.

I don't see how the top center example can be a #6. I forgot to look for the exhibition piece that I was thinking of...I should do that...
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Posted 03/28/2013   11:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 10d stamp at the top of the page is a cut-out from a stamped-to-order postal stationery envelope, first issued in 1892.
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