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Lincoln Imperf #315 Is It Real?

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Posted 06/18/2014   10:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add LarryBruce to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
is it real and ballpark value?



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Posted 06/18/2014   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no expert, but I've look at tons of these... real and fakes... and, given the margin sizes, especially the left, I'd say it's real... the Scott 2013 has it at $1,250, but I've seen cancels go in the $200-$300 range...

The experts will most certainly chime in on this one, soon...
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Posted 06/19/2014   12:20 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It could be, but also is not out of the range of what could be manufactured by trimming the perfs. It is a sheet margin copy, with the sheet edge at the left side, so possibly starting with larger margins due to position. Would need to get a certificate to be market-worthy.
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Posted 06/19/2014   02:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
humm this is interesting to me- been reading up on mr lincoln

i saw a display how the author faked a 315, it seemed easy

the difference I guess would be the 315 in the cleaning of the dia or whatever for the right eye giving it less lines and a smaller and upward look-for easy remembering for me I have deemed it "Crazy Eye"

the 304 with perfs seems to have normal eyes?

this would appear not to be a trimmed perf due to it has "crazy eye"

the listing I see this in says it is 1906-1908 and further study seems to concretely show if it was printed in 1906 or 1907 it is not a 315 since the 315 was first printed in 5/12/1908.

this stamp is a great stamp to read about there is a lot of information I have been finding that I did not know about before.

it is one of those issues where the used is the $1200.00 stamp and the new is the $200.00 stamp.

they say the pairs are best to get to prove they are nonperf.

and the perfs that are on these are all different from private firms making their own perfs for their stamp machines. wow that would be a cool collection.

i guess it (315)is printed on thinner then normal stamp paper too another clue but would have to have the stamp to see it.

it does have a line on left side

those are my findings as 11:30pm 6/18/2014 lol, is it a fake, one guy puts the odds at 99.9999%, but why, other then small numbers issued I don't know at this time.

thanks for looking and commenting so far from my reading this class will be in session for some time with this stamp being the topic as it is a popular fake - I have just been late to class and am just now learning this.



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Posted 06/19/2014   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The bottom looks like it might have been cut with scissors; it seems bowed?

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Posted 06/19/2014   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
my guess: not real, value zero
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Posted 06/19/2014   09:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't venture a guess, as I'm not an expert in this particular issue. However, the information contained at this link may prove interesting:

http://www.slingshotvenus.com/stamp...able315.html
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Posted 06/19/2014   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes wt1 I read that site he is very good.

i was looking at the left arrowline down by the bottom left 5 and it appears to have a hump in it and down from there the line has problems with gobs of ink at the end

the cancel marking going through the lady on the left to the dark blue line might not break the dark blue line to the white paper at the edge

the paper edge at the left seems whiter then the rest of the old stamp, you figure it would be aged maybe it is one of those sandpaper emory board sand jobs, would need a good magnification to see if it is at an angle vs a scissor or razor cut.

i wonder if all 315s are this light in ink (of course I am no expert I am just playing around here) but have read about bleached stamps and it sure is lighter then a 304 or would seem so.

there sure are a lot of 315s for sale on ebay for such a rare stamp as they say beware of the singles and used singles for sure.

maybe a collection of fakes if cheap would be a hoot to collect.
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Posted 06/20/2014   01:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found a gorgeous pair of 304's if anyone's shopping...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/304-XF-SUPE...em2c6cce2f27
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Posted 06/20/2014   07:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's totally fake. you can see wavy scissor cuts on at least 3 sides.
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Posted 06/20/2014   07:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
just curious, if it is an imperf why wouldn't they use scissors to cut it apart?
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Posted 06/20/2014   08:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamps WERE cut with scissors....
I never understand how people can say "wavy" cuts....
The term should be "closely cut"
BUT...since they can be manufactured for #304 you should collect in PAIRS
That way....you know they are genuine.
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Posted 06/20/2014   11:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add HungaryForStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to me like under the 0 in 1902 there is a hint of a perf hole. Of course it could just be a nick or something.
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Posted 06/20/2014   12:41 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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That way....you know they are genuine.


Definitely the best advice!

These stamps are heavily forged and should always be met with a healthy dose of skepticism. I don't know what the statistics are, but my guess is that there are very few certify-able singles of this stamp out there. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a genuine 315 until it has a certificate. In the case of your stamp, my opinion is that it won't certify as a 315.

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Posted 06/20/2014   1:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LarryBruce to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
it is an ebay stamp, for sale at auction, at 40bucks last I looked.

think I saw/read only about 3-4000 singles 315s used don't quote me.

if it has the crazy right eye it is not a 304-but I get the drift buyer beware on singles. and I am not sure if this one has crazy right eye picture seems to indicate it but not close up enough shot to tell.

got my eye on a set of denmark xmas seals at 10 bucks think I will go in that direction these 315 singles are an accident waiting to happen unless as all say you buy a pair and then for a pair you are putting out serious money, the xmas seals are more my style and after the denmark win, if I win, I can think about other country xmas seals, I have a nice corner wall display building on that will go nice with them.
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Posted 06/20/2014   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pjsstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I hope it's the real deal. I don't know why people are worried about a scissors cut. This is an imperf and it would have been cut with a scissors. I would need a much more detailed scan of the edges. I have been able to see the edges of trimmed perfs at 1200 dpi that for the life of me looked great without the magnification. If you can't see any "bumps" from trimmed perfs after scanning at 1200 I would send it for a cert.
Good Luck,
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