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Posted 01/12/2015   05:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lithograving: Since Kasimir Bileski was always looking for new interesting Canadian stamp varieties, it is possible that this may be something that could have interested him, if he was still with us.
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Posted 01/12/2015   12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jogil, I am not sure about catalog value for the K67 stamps. It really is supply and demand, not necessarily ratio. Someone who knows better than me can answer that question.
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Posted 01/12/2015   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamporator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The price will certainly be based on demand.

For example: A Scott OA158 - the 50 cent bluenose with the 5-hole OHMS. perforation will sell for about $100-$150 (Cat is $500-750), and there were a few thousand of these stamps perforated with OHMS. A private perfin of Scott 158 with say 'BT' or 'PD' may have had only a couple of hundred perforated will sell for $20-$50. As some collectors classify private perfins as damaged stamps, then the demand is less and although they are rarer, the price is lower.

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Posted 01/12/2015   1:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
At least the regular stamps with the common perfs help to give an idea as to a basic comparable start minimum value for the stamps with the less common perfs.
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Edited by jogil - 01/12/2015 1:33 pm
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Posted 01/15/2015   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3Dadeo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding stamp #351 that wert posted previously (the Inuit/Kayak), I have checked some plate blocks and have found that the new 11.85 perforation seems to have started with Plate #4.

I don't have many examples, so this data is relative, however 2 of my Plate 4 blocks have the old perforation and 2 have the new.

ALL the Plate 5 blocks (12 checked) have the new perforation. This was the last plate used for this stamp I believe. If numbers printed were similar (and I don't have that info handy), it can be assumed that the new perf on this particular stamp is relatively uncommon.

Whether the catalog picks up on this anytime is a good question. Collectors sometimes follow a major catalog when something like this is listed, making it more in demand.
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Posted 01/16/2015   05:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3Dadeo: Yes you are correct since it's in the booklet "The Canadian Stamp Perforation Change of 1962". In addition, it is now known that this also applies to plate # 3 as well. Canada # 351 is a very interesting issue in that it has the most plates with the new 11.85 perf. Plate 3 and plate 4 are scarce for 11.85 since sometime at the end of these plate runs the perforation was changed. Plate 5 already fully occurs with the perforation change. What is interesting about 351 plate 5 is that it is an anomaly in that all other plates (except postage dues like J16B and others) would have had the order number not printed anymore (removed) on the LL plate block when the inscriptions were moved further up on the plate block corners around 1958 to make post office field stock with trimmed off inscriptions more easier to do. This doesn't apply to plates 5 of this and plates 3 and 4 were kept unchanged too through this time. Since many of these 11.85 are scarcer than 11.95 within the totals of all stamps issued for a specific stamp issue, it is important that this should be checked for and sorted out for these. Some issues with long runs that passed through 1958 with no change in plates like 320, 334, etc. kept the order number on the LL plate block.
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Posted 01/16/2015   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3Dadeo: Here's a scan of the other page that has the information on it for plate 4 with two different perforations.

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Posted 01/26/2015   05:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a heads up to some who are interested in Canada 351 above. This ebay listing which isn't mine has the bottom two plate blocks with new perforations. See:http://www.ebay.com/itm/201272933273
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Posted 01/26/2015   11:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pepere_jack to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jogil, are they supposed to all be from plate #4? It seems that the lower right plate block is from plate #3... All the other are from plate #4.


Edit: I have just seen that the ebay sell IS NOT YOURS... Sorry for the confusion!
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Edited by pepere_jack - 01/26/2015 11:08 am
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Posted 01/26/2015   11:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The new perf on plate 3 appears to more scarcer than the scarce new perf on plate 4 since it has been more recently found.
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Posted 01/26/2015   12:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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At least the regular stamps with the common perfs help to give an idea as to a basic comparable start minimum value for the stamps with the less common perfs.


$1 was the highest face value stamp of the time. Collectors would have bought the stamps at the time of the issue, and not likely bought any more unless new plates were issued. $16 for a matched set was quite expensive then. If the new perf was put on sale towards the end of the life of the stamp (which was replaced by the $1 Centennial in 1967), it could be quite scarce.

Used stamps are a different story. Collectors gathered these throughout the entire period of issue, so perhaps are not so rare - after all, I have over 20 from my batch.

Maybe I should list both perfs together (used singles) as one lot on ebay and see what they bring.
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Posted 01/26/2015   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, let's not forget that the only way to get inscription blocks was through the Canada Post philatelic center and most likely through subscription.
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Posted 01/26/2015   4:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3Dadeo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"jogil, are they supposed to all be from plate #4? It seems that the lower right plate block is from plate #3... All the other are from plate #4."

The listing is mine. I did it last night along with a bunch of others. I can't believe I missed the Pl.3 however.

It is uncommon to see the new perf on Pl.3 so I guess I just assumed it was Pl.4 like the others.

I fixed the listing.
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Posted 01/26/2015   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
3Dadeo: 351 new perf 11.85 exists for some plate 3, some plate 4 and all plate 5
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Posted 01/26/2015   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3Dadeo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks jogil, I was surprised to find it on a Plate3.
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