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Posted 09/05/2015   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rustyc to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I just received a CDV with R13c on the reverse. The stamp has some horizontal lines on the right side through "CENTS" that look like they may have been part of the original printing. Can anyone tell me what they are? A double transfer? A cracked plate? Something else? Nothing at all? Thanks.




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Posted 09/05/2015   7:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Something similar occurs on some of the Transportation Coils, especially on the 32 cent Ferryboat 2466b. The variety is called "Cancelled 9" or "Scratches through 1900" and is found on position 1R ( the stamp to the right of the plate numbered stamp ) of the "Bronx Blue" color error on plate 5. On the Ferryboat it looks maybe like some scratches but it could also be that a tool fell on the plate during etching. Yours is much more pronounced, and I wonder if it is a Constant Plate Variety?
And what is a CDV?

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Posted 09/05/2015   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter, a CDV is a "carte de visite," which was a Civil War era photograph about the size of a playing card. For a period of time, they were taxed, hence many have revenue stamps on the reverse. Here is an example, front and back.



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Posted 09/05/2015   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Rusty. It is a pretty card, and the stamp is cancelled beautifully! By the way, did you notice the date is 9/11?

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Posted 09/05/2015   8:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Given there's no traces of cancel ink on either side of the stamp
on the card, (and what appears to be the edge of a secondary cancel)
at the bottom of the stamp, it appears to have been faked...
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Posted 09/05/2015   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's not a fake, cancels were often done in the sheet like a precancel. Especially for something sensitive like a photograph. These are mostly $5-$10 items, why would anyone bother to fake them?
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Posted 09/05/2015   10:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rev, how did this work? The stamps were purchased on this date by the previous shop owner?
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Posted 09/05/2015   10:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector, are you saying that what I'm seeing are traces of a cancel? That makes sense because I know blue cancels were fairly common, but I guess I was only focused on how closely the color seemed to match the color of the stamp.
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Posted 09/05/2015   11:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rusty, I think rev is referring to the CDV.
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Posted 09/05/2015   11:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rustyc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, I get it. Thanks, KGB. Anyway, add cancel to my list of possibilities.
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Posted 09/05/2015   11:39 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not a cancel. Could be plate scratches or debris.

Revenue stamps affixed to CDvs were, more often than not, precanceled, even the manuscript cancels. Why? CDVs were frequently stacked. If the cancel ink were not fully dried, it would offset onto the next CDV.

It's probably the one major area where a cancel not tying the stamp is not a factor in determining legitimacy.

The one exception is revenue bisects on CDVs. If the bisect is not tied via cancel, and there is no element of the cancel matching the name or initials of the photographer in question, I won't touch it (at least not for more than about $5). I've seen far too many fakes out there. An uncanceled bisect on a CDV has to be viewed with strong suspicion.
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Posted 09/06/2015   09:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revenue, if you don't mind, would you explain about the precancel in more detail? In this case, the cancel is the address of the photography studio and former owner's name, along with a date. Did shop owners order their own cancels?
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Posted 09/06/2015   09:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The law requiring the use of revenue stamps provided that "the person using or affixing the [stamp] shall write thereupon the initials of his name, and the date upon which the same shall be attached or used," although the proprietary stamps (on matches, medicines, etc.) did not need to be cancelled if they were affixed so that the stamp would be destroyed in opening the package.
Some merchants had handstamps made so that they didn't need to write their initials each time they used a stamp. Some merchants hand-wrote their cancels, some used printed cancels.
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Posted 09/06/2015   09:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, SPQR!
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To expand a bit on SPQR's post ...
the stamp cancellation on the first photo in this thread did not follow the regulations at all - missing all the required elements, while the one from the Hopper/Grotecloss studio obeyed more than required to include the full business name and address. Either way, the revenue tax was paid.
One of the major differences in postal vs revenue uses is WHO canceled the stamps. Average-Joe-user affixed his own revenue stamps and canceled them, so the expectation of revenue stamps always being "tied" cannot be the same. Yes, the merchants would have to buy their own cancels.
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Posted 09/06/2015   10:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And you, too, John!
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