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What Stamp Have I Got Here ID Please Panama Overprint

 
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Posted 02/18/2016   04:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add duncanvr to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Stamp has red Panama overprint and red line at top. There is a flag cancel underneath and postmark Colon. This is not an area I am familiar with. Can someone please give some info on this stamp and cover going to Hamburg Germany? Is the stamp of any value? Thanks for the help

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Posted 02/18/2016   06:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am gonna state tis is a FAKE cover.

Stamp appears (???, assume fake also) to be CANAL ZONE #3c.....BUT....
The cancel is incorrect.
The CZ Post Office 1st opened June 24, 1904...
This is cancelled April 5, 1904
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Posted 02/18/2016   07:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No it's not a FAKE It's not a Canal Zone Stamp, .. This is a Panama scott # 79 value 20 cents
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Edited by area66 - 02/18/2016 07:56 am
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Posted 02/18/2016   09:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
agree! This is a Columbian stamp overprinted Panama when Panama became independent. Later on these were overprinted for a second time with "Canal Zone".

Peter
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Posted 02/18/2016   09:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
duncan, this is a nice cover. There's nothing unique about it that I can tell, but it is worth more than what one might expect. I'll see if I can find something similar that has been sold so that we'll know a fair price.

EDIT:

Here's one for sale: http://www.stampsandbooks.com/Panam...SB-00693.htm
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Edited by KGB - 02/18/2016 09:23 am
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Posted 02/18/2016   1:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp has no value but the cover may have, the stamp was issue in January or February 1904 ( depending if it.s a type II , III or IV ) and in June they was using the CZ black overprint, so for only few months those stamps was used, and with a cover a cancel to confirm the date, that make it a keeper.
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Edited by area66 - 02/18/2016 1:07 pm
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Posted 02/18/2016   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
66, I don't think the Canal Zone necessarily has anything to do with this stamp. Wasn't it used in Panama until the country's new stamps were printed in 1905?
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Posted 02/18/2016   1:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure KGB, I was just assuming Colon is in the CZ as it's the port entrance no ?
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Posted 02/18/2016   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll check.

EDIT:

From wikipedia: "The zone consisted of the canal and an area generally extending five miles (8.0 km) on each side of the centerline, excluding Panama City and Colón, which otherwise would have been partly within the limits of the Zone."
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Edited by KGB - 02/18/2016 2:45 pm
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Posted 02/18/2016   4:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all this has been helpful, anyone recognise the flag cancel on it? I looked up Colon province but its a different flag
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Posted 02/18/2016   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
duncan, this is the Panamanian flag, though it was only a proposed designed at the time. It wasn`t approved until years and years later.
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Posted 02/18/2016   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so only worth 20 cents or more as a cover?
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Posted 02/18/2016   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
duncan, please check the link I provided above. This is a good piece. (Or are you just referring to the stamp alone?)
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Posted 02/19/2016   5:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Stamp appears (???, assume fake also) to be CANAL ZONE #3c.....


Can't be a #3c ...a #3c is a pair of stamps not an individual one, a pair with 1 of them without overprint, without been pair with an overprint one, you have no way to know if it's not a Panama # 79 ...

Overprint forgery exist on 3c pair.
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