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Differences Of The Newer Multi Part Scott Internationals?

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Posted 03/04/2016   10:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mobilman44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi!
I have a 1997 4 part Scott Part 1 International, a 1986 Part 2, and just ordered a "new" part 3 and part 4.

I have no idea what copyright the new pages will be, but suspect it will be different than the ones I already have.

What I'm trying to find out is what differences exist with the various different copyright versions?

Is it simply the addition or deletion of spaces/pics, or is it more than that, or are they the same - with only the copyright being renewed.

Thank you!
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Posted 03/05/2016   12:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
mobilman44- Could you clarify the question?

Do you mean you will have the various (four) sub-parts of BB 1840-1940 with different editions, or do you mean you will have Part 1 (1840-1940), part II (1940-49), Part III (1950-55) and Part IV with different printing editions ?

If the latter, my instinct is to say there should be little or no problem putting together the various parts, other than the newer editions will be on better paper, but worse on stamp image clarity.

But, I have not investigated Part II,III,IV for editorial changes, so this is a guess.

If the former, I still think there should be little problem. The '69 editors did the big changes, and since then, Scott has only rearranged countries so they start on their own page, and also put categories (air post, postage due etc) on their own page so the pages can be more easily collated with part II (1940-49).

There have been a few small changes such as dropping Anjouan for some reason.


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Posted 03/05/2016   12:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You may have problem with part II (86) and the rest . The holes are not at same distances from the edge so part II pages will extrude outside the album. It's a problem when you turn the pages as it's not even
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Posted 03/05/2016   06:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi!
To clarify... I will end up with Parts 1, 2, 3, & 4 - each with a different copyright date (all 1985 plus). Will there be a problem merging them (I do my albums by country - 1840 to 1960)?

And other than the paper quality, what differences would one find from copyright to copyright of the 1985 to present versions?

Thank you all!
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Posted 03/05/2016   07:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't believe there are any editorial differences between the 1985 version and the "new" 4-part 1997 other than each country starting on a new page in the 1997 version.

The paper will be different and it is possible the holes are not exactly aligned, but I can't say for sure as I don't have the newer version.

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Posted 03/05/2016   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't believe there are any editorial differences between the 1985 version and the "new" 4-part 1997 other than each country starting on a new page in the 1997 version.


What Chris said.
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Posted 03/05/2016   4:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi once again!
I'm trying to get a handle on what problems I'll have merging a 1997 Part 3 with a 1986 part 4. At this point, the only thing that concerns me is the 1986 part 4 would have two countries on a page. If this is true, how many would I be looking at?

Is it worth reneging on the 1986 part 4 and getting a 1997 part 4?

I apologize for being a pain, but I find myself getting "anal" over this and I need some more experienced guidance.

Thank you all again!
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Posted 03/05/2016   6:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jraeburn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This won't answer all your questions but Jim's excellent philatelic blog, Big Blue, has an astounding amount of information about Vol. I Scott International (eponym of Big Blue). While he bills it as a check list organized by country it's much more, and as I recall some of the discussions have to do with the variations between the earlier (1940s) editions and the more recent ones. The website's HTML is: bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.com .
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Posted 03/05/2016   7:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I checked a Part IV (1956-60 era) copyright 1960 Blue Scott International, and really didn't find (on quick inspection) page conflicts with other parts- no country conflicts, no BOB category conflicts that would make it difficult to integrate Part I-IV and put all the countries together. Certainly, a new part IV would have better paper.

And thanks jraeburn for the vote of confidence.

(Note: I edited my earlier reply because I misunderstood the question.)
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Posted 03/05/2016   11:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Che k again blue I purchase a III and IV 1960 last week and if I remember well you will have like an airmail at the back of a semi-postal . So it will interfere . But it's only few bob so it's no a big deal the real problem is the holes not at same distances from the edge . It make a pain to turn the pages as you catch only the one who are more out
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Posted 03/06/2016   01:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Check again blue I purchase a III and IV 1960 last week and if I remember well you will have like an airmail at the back of a semi-postal


I didn't check carefully for back to back categories on one page, and you are right, there are a few instances of this. This will cause problems with collating a country across the parts in those few instances.

For the Scott International Part IV 1960 copyright
Example: French Oceania
Air post on one side, with Postage Due on the reverse.

The good news is all categories (semi-postal,air post etc) begin at the top of the page. And most countries do not have a a page with a category on one side, and another category on the reverse side. But unfortunately, there are a few instances of this.
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Posted 03/07/2016   08:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I guess a bit of caution is what I need to proceed with......... The new Part 3 is ordered (should be 1997 or newer copyright), but I put a hold on the part 4. I guess it makes sense to integrate the new part 3 first and then worry about the part 4. Of course there is another possibility......... I my reduce my cut off date to 1955 (part 3 end date) and sell off the 56 to 60 stuff in my existing part 4.

IF I had known 4 years ago how hard I would fall back into this hobby, I would have bought the new Parts 1-4 right from the start.
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Posted 03/07/2016   8:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rmatossian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind that the pages constitute but the tiniest fraction of the value of the stamps that you put on them. Personally, I would be real anal about the appearance of my album and not put up with something like having uneven pages, etc.
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Posted 03/08/2016   06:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I highly value the appearance of the album. I'm collecting for me - for my enjoyment - and I greatly appreciate an organized and aesthetically pleasing book with the stamps nicely hinged or mounted. Have to say the old cliché, "neatness counts".

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Posted 03/09/2016   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since I started this thread it behooves me to do a follow-up........
The Scott International part 3a & 3b on hand at Amos is a 1986 copyright, and I've ordered this. I just found out that the part 4a & 4b on hand are also 1986 copyrights, and I ordered this as well. I guess "Scotts" had to do more recent updates on their part 1 (4 sections) in 1997, but 2,3,and 4 were last changed in 1986.

Anyway, that finishes out my collection with "new & improved" pages, and I guess I'll be pretty busy the rest of the year transferring "tons" of stamps to those new pages.

Thanks all for putting up with my threads. I've got no one here that is even remotely interested in the hobby.
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Posted 03/09/2016   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Even if they are not 97, they are printed on the same paper and that's what important, new paper is way , way, way better than old one, it's way more thick and the holes are more far from the edge. Some complain about the quality of illustrations, but who care when you have a stamp over it ?
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