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Need Help Identifying A Postmark On Zeppelin Postcard

 
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Posted 05/12/2016   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Neeskens13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone help with identifying the "Squadra B" postmark on the back of this postcard carried by the Graf Zeppelin on the 1933 First South America Flight? This cover was sent from the Italian-held territory of Cyrenaica, which is located in modern day Libya.



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Posted 07/18/2016   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could it be an abbreviation for South Quadrant? A close up of the cancellation might help.
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Posted 07/19/2016   02:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kilowarecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
H. Sieger was a stampdealer from Germany,thats what I can tell about the Postcard.
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Posted 07/19/2016   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The date places it as being marked after the card was mailed at Bengazi but before it arrived in Germany to be put on the Zeppelin. Can you please provide a very clear closeup, or at least tell us what the wording is around the top of the Squadra date cancel? My guess is that it is some kind of transit cancel, perhaps from a location in Cyrenaica or perhaps in Italy somewhere?

As was mentioned abover, Hermann E. Sieger was a stamp dealer from Germany and his company is still around today. Not only was he a stamp dealer, but he was the guy who in large part created collecting Zeppelin covers in that he created a huge percentage of covers on most every flight, and he is the author of one of the most definitive catalogs on Zeppelin covers. His cards and covers were always made very professionally and are often the nicest prepared ones you can find in many people's collections. This one is an example of how nicely done his creations were.
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Posted 07/19/2016   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To me the upper part of the text looks like "MILANO --???-- RACCOM." ie registered. Still doesn't make it any clearer what "S.QUADRA B" means but it should help. Any Italian postmark experts out there?
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Posted 08/05/2016   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Neeskens13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have just seen the same postmark on another Zeppelin cover.

The exact wording is "MILANO FERR. RACOMM."

FERR. is an abbreviation for ferroviaria, which means "train" in Italian. RACCOM. is an abbreviation for racommandata, which means "registered" in Italian. So, this card was carried by train (at some point) from Benghazi to Friedrichshafen via Milan as registered mail.

Still no idea, however, as to the "SQUADRA B" or "S. QUADRA B" portion of the postmark.
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Edited by Neeskens13 - 08/05/2016 11:34 am
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Posted 08/05/2016   12:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful pictorial Zeppelin cancel (Hugo Eckener?).
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Posted 08/05/2016   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Sur, Quadra 8" I assume. Which I also assume was the destination, likely Rome or Napoli.
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Posted 08/05/2016   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now that Smauggie mentions it, S. Quadra 8 or South Quadrant 8 seems most likely. I assume this was a postal district or office in the city of Milan that handled transiting mail.
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Posted 08/05/2016   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Neeskens13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jenny:

That flight confirmation stamp is actually a drawing of Graf Zeppelin himself!
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Posted 08/29/2016   07:23 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not on Neeskens specific' subject, but this may be of interest

http://www.warwickandwarwick.com/la...ght-of-fancy
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Posted 08/31/2016   03:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The transit postmark in question reads "Milano Ferr(ovia) - Raccom(andate) - 3.5.33 - 10 - Squadra B" which translates as "Milan Railways - Registered Mail - May 3, 1933, 10 a.m. - Team B".

The postmark is identified in paragraph 9 of BOLLI ANNULLATORI E DATARI POSTALI = Postal Cancels and Date Stamps ( http://www.postaesocieta.it/magazzi...i_datari.htm ) as type Guller specifying the team (Squadra B) who handled the item. Compare the description of an item carrying similar cancels such as "Bologna Ferr. Raccom. (Squadra B)" and "Milano Ferrovia Sq(uadra) F" in http://www.ebay.it/itm/STORIA-POSTA...171366476626
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