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Serbia (Srbija)
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Posted 07/16/2016   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Makanudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
... I would like to know the details on this stamp, if possible.
Thanks!



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Posted 07/16/2016   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well it's a stamp from Croatia, I guess you must know it ?

1919 Mi 91 the perf 11 1/2 don't have value but the 12 1/2 worth few $$$ but in the case of this stamp .....

I don't know why you don't google "drzavna posta hrvatska" you will find all the info you need .

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Edited by area66 - 07/16/2016 4:55 pm
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Netherlands
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Posted 07/16/2016   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kilowarecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not 100% shure but old stamps in general, green is the local rate, red is inland rate and blue is the outland rate. In general, it was invented by UPU, the universal post Union. To make it easier for postoffice employees in the foreign countries.
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Posted 07/16/2016   5:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Makanudo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did google it and I searched scotts catalogue and I didnt find this stamp. I always research before posting a question. I appologise if I wasted your time. Naturally I know it is croatian I guessed it was not NDH, but didnt know the period.
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Posted 07/16/2016   6:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No need for apologise , my remark about Google was in case you need more info like history info.

but since you use Scott , I tough you was using Michel, because a lot of peoples in Eastern Europe use the one on DVD

I don't know why Scott give only 35 cents for the 12 1/2 , Michel give few $

keep in mind this is 1996 old scott catalogue. I do have a 2015 Classic, but it was not easy to scan



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Edited by area66 - 07/16/2016 6:36 pm
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Posted 07/16/2016   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Makanudo
Please keep on presenting stamps to us. It is always fun to do searches and reserve the responses to more experienced philathelists. No waste of time for me and surely for the other members.

You did know that each time your name comes up, I think of:

Macanudo is the name of a cigar brand produced by the General Cigar Company in the Dominican Republic. It is noted for its mild flavor and light Connecticut shade wrapper, but is also available in a darker maduro wrapper.

http://macanudo.com/

A good cigar from the Dominican Republic....not as good as Cubans
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Posted 07/17/2016   03:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Makanudo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone!
I appreciate the support and your help.
I just really started this hobby. I acumulated alot of stamps from all over the world and I am sorting them into albums. I realised that I am interested in 19th century to wwI canada, usa, germany, austria, hungary and bulgaria and
South East Asia countries regardless of age.
Other stamps, I am going to finish sorting and I hope to trade or/and sell them online.
For the time being, I would like to give away 5x10 stamps from kingdom of Jugoslavija, so if anyone is interested let me know.
My nickname, although I appreciate and enjoy a good cigar regularly, has to do with a certain model of sports shoes from the 50s.

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Posted 07/18/2016   09:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Makanudo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just got this cutout and I would like to know if they hold any extra value like that or I should take out the stamps that are nicely preserved.
Thanks!



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Netherlands
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Posted 07/18/2016   12:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kilowarecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would keep it in one piece,, might be that you can find out if the rate of 60 was a tarif in that time, and for what, a parcel? What weight?
And you can tryto find out what that black thing on the paper is! Maybe the piece comes from some king orso?
You never know! As long as you have not 2 of this , I wouldnt seperate it. If you have a lot of the same you can throw away the damaged ones.
Once there was a collector that decided to keep this in his or her stock! I have stamps in a lesser quality than this, it depends on , do you have, or have seen a better piece with these stamps.
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Posted 07/18/2016   1:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The only reason I would keep it would be because of the cancel. Does it read Branjevo?
And the black thing looks like a wax seal, is that it? It has destroyed the stamps underneath it.

Peter
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Netherlands
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Posted 07/18/2016   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kilowarecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it looks like a wax seal, thanks Peter, I couldn't find the words in english.
Some wax seals are more expensive than these stamps.
It depends on who made the wax seal. its placed over the stamps!
Only high placed persons could do that.
It damaged the stamps, maybe it came from the government.
And by the way, this piece lives! It tells history.
It's unique! But what is it! that takes hours of hobby to find out.
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Posted 07/18/2016   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bamra1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't even think about destroying this beautiful piece of postal history, for the sake of ending up with a few grubby stamps worth practically nothing.

Firstly Branjevo is (and was at the time the stamps were issued) in Bosnia. The stamps were those created for use in the Slovenian area. This doesn't make it incredibly rare - it was perfectly legal to use the stamps of any area in the SHS in any other area of the SHS, since they had amalgamated into a single state. But stamps issued for one area and used in another are intereresting and collectable - the more so in this case because Branjevo was not a heaving metropolis, and I for one have never seen a Chainbreaker cancelled there.

Secondly look at the cancel. Note the distinctive letter a at 9 o'clock and the great emptiness in the top half. There is a reason for all this. It is not an SHS cancel, but one the SHS had taken over from the previous Austrian postal administration. The a is a clear inducation, and the space at the top is because the local postmaster has removed the Austrian military inscription K und K Milit Post because it was an unpleasant reminder of the Austrian annexation of Bosnia in 1906.

As to what the 60 vinar was the correct tariff for, I'll try to reseach it, but the postal rates at this period are difficult to interpret due to the inflation of the Austrian currency to which the Slovenian currency still had partial ties. But to find any kind of answer I need an accurate date. It looks as if it may be March 1920, but it is difficult to read on your scan. Please confirm or correct.
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Netherlands
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Posted 07/18/2016   4:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kilowarecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The wax seal is the scarce thing on this piece, I do not know a thing about the stamps or country.
Bamra1, good explanation !
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Serbia (Srbija)
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Posted 07/18/2016   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Makanudo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Based on the heavy packing paper stamps are on, my guess would be that it was parcel. Wax seal indicates that the sender was some local authority, court or municipality office(I doubt there was a court in such a small place).
Wax seal is deep red and it only looks black in the scan. I am posting a close up photo.
The date on the stamp reads 5.III.20
I shall keep it as it is. I believe the original collector kept the bigger part of the wrapping, but someone cut only stamps :(.
I started collecting old covers and I always get excited when I find a cover with a seal.



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Netherlands
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Posted 07/19/2016   12:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kilowarecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's a mystery piece! An eye catcher, not the quality of the piece but the total appaerance, someone kept it.
Aslong as you don't know what it is exactly,you can store it. I don't think that I have a piece with a wax seal.
It's a mystery piece, that's adventure only found in kiloware in my opinion.
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