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Guatemala Cancel To Order?

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Posted 06/04/2009   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rlorenz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was looking at this cancel on the stamp pictured, I believe it to be a CTO and not postally used. Any comments?


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Posted 06/04/2009   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure that's a cancel and not some type of overprint?
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Posted 06/04/2009   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlorenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wpglwr,
I can find no listing of this type of overprint for this issue, this is why I believe the stamp was canceled to order
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rick l
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Posted 06/04/2009   1:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmmm...maybe a case for our resident Guatemala experts perhaps...
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Posted 06/04/2009   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that is a remainder cancel. But yes, better to see what the Guatemala specialists say.
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Posted 06/04/2009   2:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is there gum on the back of the stamp? If so, I believe khj to be correct.
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Posted 06/04/2009   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rick I have seen the same thing numerous times...i can not find it yet in official and unofficial cancellations of Guatemala..someone will know....phil
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Posted 06/04/2009   3:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I know it's not Guatemala, but the similarity with this Nicaragua caught my attention. I thought the Nicaragua stamp might have been a precancel but now I doubt that. Maybe the Guatemala and the Nicaragua are CTOs.



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Posted 06/04/2009   3:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice scan, Marty!

That's why I was guessing they were not ordinary CTOs, but specifically, remainder cancels.
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Posted 06/04/2009   3:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, OK, I know it's not Guatemala, but the similarity with this Nicaragua caught my attention. I thought the Nicaragua stamp might be a precancel. But maybe the Guatemala and the Nicaragua are both CTOs.



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Posted 06/04/2009   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok Rick, heres what you can do...e mail Cecile Gruson the editor of El Quetzal....she will answer you quickly...her father was Swiss Ambassador to Guatemala...i met her at Washington 2006....what she does not know about Guatemala stamps is not worth knowing !!
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Posted 06/04/2009   5:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlorenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Phil,
I have sent an E mail to Cecile Gruson. I will let everyone know what her response is here on this thread.

Rick
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Posted 06/04/2009   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rick, that would be good...you bring up some interesting questions..i always thought it might have been a generic cancel but the boys in Guatemala 1 and 2 do not mention it that I can see !!
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Posted 06/04/2009   9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add petrucellij to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi , This cancels might be precancels ... Is there gum on the back of the stamp . If there is gum it is most likely a CTO . No gum a precancel.
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Posted 06/04/2009   10:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about the double post, I don't know what happened

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Posted 06/07/2009   5:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlorenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Have not yet gotten a reply from Cecile Gruson , ut as soon as I do I will poet it here. Phil I emailed her at EQ@guatemalstamps.com if you have a better e-mail I could try that as well
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