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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 09/06/2017   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Turkey Postage Dues Identification is a challenging area.
For the record, a handsome multiple, identified as Scott #J31
Courtesy of Hipstamp Auction sales.

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Posted 09/06/2017   6:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, here we go:

This one was in one of several envelopes full of Turkey that I have been attempting to organize and identify. I have it as Sc #21, which appears to have a decent CV, which could mean 1 of 3 things 1) I have identified it correctly, and YAY for me! 2)I have mis-identified it and it's actually a cheap stamp, or 3)It's a forgery of the more expensive stamps and shows I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing yet.
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Posted 09/06/2017   9:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Caveat : I am just a student of Turkey, as you are.

Nice try.
It is Sc# 39 CV $4 Looks genuine with a genuine Pmk.

These are Dulos Issues (Duloz)
The trick with these, is to become familiar with the TOP script design

The script at both sides and top = Ottoman Empire Post
The script at the bottom is the Value of the stamp.

Here are the TOP Script designs of the differing sets.
Match these with the Scott catalogue, and you are on your way

It took me a long time to familiarise, and I still have to check. (Yours is style 6, 1874-1875)



20 paras Green in the middle.

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Edited by rod222 - 09/06/2017 10:13 pm
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Posted 09/07/2017   04:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Correction made.

That chart will help me out a lot. Now I will go back and re-check the others for mis-identifications.

Greatly appreciated, thanks!

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Posted 09/07/2017   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find from the collection I bought.
Hatay, SC #1, "sent" variety, on right.
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Posted 09/07/2017   2:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Not seen that one before. Nice find indeed. Congratulations.
Sc#1a 1939 CV $75 $23 2009
May I keep the image for my records please?
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Posted 09/07/2017   2:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely.
It came in a glassine with about 20 or so regular #1's, all MNH. I accidentally saw it while sifting through them trying to pick out the nicest #1 as my keeper.
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Posted 09/17/2017   1:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, I found these in the "collection/hoard" I am sorting through and was wondering what your thoughts on authenticity were.
The first one and last one, I believe, are suppose to be the same stamp, but the first one looks "clumsy" to me.
I know there are some references on some of the pages in this thread, but I thought I'd share anyway.

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Posted 09/17/2017   3:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, perusing some of the pages in this thread where these are shown, and show the "secret marks", I am guessing that my first stamp is fake, 2nd stamp is genuine, 3rd is fake and 4th genuine....I think.
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Posted 09/17/2017   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Nice "hoard" 1850
I do not get enough of these to be any sort of authority,
hopefully Michael will drop by, and offer his opinion.

Nice generous scan, well done, I'll download and spend some time going over them.

The first, I would suggest is a definite forgery, the value "5" is terrible, I could have done a better job.
I'll be back.

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Posted 09/18/2017   9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Phew!
That was hard work.
Opinion:
Forgery, Genuine, Forgery, Forgery.

1. The value script is incorrect.
2. The 1 gurush (violet) I am worried about the top LEFT hand frame, out of square.
3. All forgeries show separated long strokes of the Tughra to the right, as far as I am aware they go fainter and tend to join.
4. The left hand 5 gurush, missing dots in the corner squares.

Caveat: I am only a student, and have very little to go on, I have no established images of genuine issues. They are quite a challenge.
Certainly keep them for study resource.


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Posted 09/19/2017   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, thanks for looking at those. I've got a huge learning curve HEAD of me. I will identify these for now.

I also noticed that funky frame line in the upper left of that violet stamp and thought it was suspicious.

You may only be a "student", but I would say more like a "student teacher"..
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Posted 10/18/2017   08:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postage Dues : ID (Still having problems)

1869 Issues. Scott has "Yellow Brown Border"....Steiner only lists 2 sets ...Red-Brown border and Black-Brown border.

Noted : Overprints do vary in shape and form. There must have been differing letterpress formes.

My guesses.......

Red-Brown Border





Black-Brown border.

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Posted 10/18/2017   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Query : Is this variety catalogued anywhere please ?

Variety "Missing Pink"
Sc#1250 1957
King of Afghanistan.

Both Mint, full undisturbed gum.

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Edited by rod222 - 10/18/2017 09:20 am
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Posted 10/18/2017   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

I suspect that the salmon colour has faded as there is still some colour around TURKIYE.

There are no missing colours for this set in SG or Michel.
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