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Scott 106 - Missing Frame

 
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Posted 03/01/2017   09:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys...Here is a little test to try and decipher...The left side of the stamp is missing a large portion of the vertical frame work..Now I know 99% of the people will say it was a piece of paper attached so the ink could not be printed...BUT, look deeper...

The consistency of the paper where the frame line should be is the same consistency of the paper on the outer frame line...That is your hint.

Before I give my idea of what really happened, I would like to see if any one can think out of the box...

Robert











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Posted 03/01/2017   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I'll take a stab - It sure looks like the stamp started out normal and then had the left margin deeply scuffed or abraded away.
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Posted 03/01/2017   10:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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after consulting "The Admiral Issue of Canada" and finding a bunch of re-entries and retouches on the 2c carmine Admiral, did not find anything that would explain your scanned stamp. My theory is that it was glued to another sstamp and removal resulted in lifting this portion of the vertical frame line. Eager to hear your thoughts and those of others....Rene
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Posted 03/01/2017   11:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Renden..John Becker

Renden..If another stamp was stuck to it, it would probably destroy the face of my stamp as it was removed, but the surface is the same as the margin.

John ...If it were scuffed, the same result would happen as above..Non consistency from frame paper area and border.

I was a printer for about a year after high school, and I think ( I think cause I saw it happen before) I know what happened, but lets see if any one else has an idea...I will post after supper what I am 99% sure what happened..One hint is the stamp is slightly over inked, so under inking in these areas are not what caused it.

One last hint...(Wet or dry ink.)

Robert
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Posted 03/01/2017   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ignoring the ink for the moment, the first scan clearly shows a different surface texture to the paper along the upper left side. And just above/below 9 o'clock there appears to be a significant difference. Can you show a scan of this stamp in watermark fluid?
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Posted 03/01/2017   12:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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the first scan clearly shows a different surface texture to the paper along the upper left side.


John, that is why I changed the colour on the second picture to show the very faint cancel (in the blue colour) that unless you look really hard, it appears to be two different textures and are really not.

I can use wmk fluid John..Just have to find it..Put lots of suff in bins...Will hunt them down after super.

Robert
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If our theories are not in keeping with "what caused this ink deficiency in the left upper area of the frame ?" on your stamp, wert, and having been raised in a Printing shop (as my Dad had a Newspaper-Printing shop and Store during the period of 1960 to 1988)I believe....
1) this was a wet printing (prior to gumming)
2) some unidentified object prevented the ink from printing over this area - it might even be human error
3) there are re-entries elsewhere on same stamp
4) if the above are incorrect, I would think that some chemical touched this stamp after the printing process.
We know from the litterature, this issue was printed during a 16 year span, and through WW1 and during most of this period, stamp production was using the wet process, the dry being in the latter years of the issue (ref: The Admiral Issue of Canada, G.C. Marler)
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Posted 03/01/2017   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My first impression is a big scuff mark. But seeing a hint of a cancel, it now looks like poorly formed paper in that area that came off sometime after printing.

Do I also see a hint of a horizontal line in the "T" of Cents?

I have to admit, though, that this would have been in my trash bin after a cursory examination.
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Posted 03/01/2017   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think what has happened is when I used to fill up the ink tray, we would place ink into the tray at one side and as the rollers picked up the ink which usually spread it evenly over the printable area.

Some times we would go for lunch and when we came back we would start up the presses again to continue...Now maybe (maybe) the ink rubberfide, which is when it turns from sticky (wet)to almost dry, which MAY explain why a few runs would not pick up ink on the paper until it remixed and turned sticky enough to print evenly.

Just a thought.

The stamp is to me still collectable for interest purposes only..

Robert
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Edited by wert - 03/01/2017 7:55 pm
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Posted 03/02/2017   08:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So one of my theories might have caused this anomaly, INK -?
Thanks wert for keeping our minds active !
Rene
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Posted 03/02/2017   08:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Always, always, always, think out of the box.

Robert
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