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Unlisted Paper Variety Of An Official Seal

 
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Posted 04/27/2017   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add James Drummond to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
There has been some recent discussion regarding whether a first issue revenue stamp on laid paper might be genuine.

The first step in getting any previously-unknown paper variety of just about any back of the book stamp is to get the item certified.

Having an additional confirming copy (or copies) of the new variety obviously certainly helps.

Being able to quote an entry from old philatelic literature that mentions your variety helps quite a bit, but this can be difficult to find.

Even then, your new discovery may or may not get eventually included in the Scott Specialized Catalog.

Shown below is an example of a paper variety of OX1 that is still unlisted in Scott.

It may not ever be listed, mostly because it is not a "dramatic" variety, such as a double impression or printed on both sides, and it is a variety of an infrequently collected area of stamps.

As we all know, most areas of the non-postage sections get very infrequent updating, unless there is an enthusiastic dealer or collector that "pushes" for the revision.

Still, to an official seal collector like myself, this seal seems to be the only known copy of this variety, and it remains highly prized for its unusualness.

Jim

The thin paper variety, front and back. The paper is as thin as tissue paper, but not as fragile, and is more translucent. At one time, I considered it pelure paper, but this paper is not as "oily" as pelure paper. You can almost read through it.









A normal OX1, front and back:



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Posted 04/27/2017   8:32 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very neat. I have a thing for the paper that stamps are printed on. I can't help it. I am naturally predisposed to taking an interest in paper for personal reasons, plus, I like to be a well rounded student.

I am aware of the process that I need to go through, I just don't have any faith in it. I hope to have at least 40 more good years of playing with stamps and I am ridiculously patient. Now is not the time...
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Posted 04/27/2017   8:44 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is it the same paper that the OX2 is printed on?
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Posted 04/27/2017   8:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

No. It's a very thin, crisp paper, not like any of the other official seals.

It's almost like tracing paper.

Jim
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It looks a lot like a perforated India proof. One of the people who signed the cert was Howard Karlin, a really nice man who passed away far too young.
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Posted 04/27/2017   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

As far as I know, India paper is opaque. This paper is nearly translucent.

Jim



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Posted 04/27/2017   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The other signer was Jack Solens, a revenue dealer doing business as Armstrong Philatelics. He also passed away.

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Definition of post obitum. : after death : after a right limited to a person's lifetime expires with the person's death.

The first US Seal 1872

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It is too bad for philatelists that certified legitimate items are not always included as varieties in stamp catalogues while some spurious and questionable items sometimes are. Some paper varieties even get their own full listing while others do not even get a sub-listing at all. The illogical inconsistencies found in some stamp catalogues boggle the mind.
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John K Tiffany 1887

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Posted 04/29/2017   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first paragraph in the above passage is referring to the Scott-listed "typeset" official seals, and not to the government-issued seals.

Jim
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Thank you.
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Posted 04/29/2017   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Like this one.

Jim


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Posted 04/30/2017   12:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice, thank you.
Bonus: Nice postmark for my edible menu collection.
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