Fermented Fruit Juice Catalogue Values

I am traveling and do not have a catalogue. Looking for used values of the REF 8 oz,REF 12 oz and REF 32 oz fermented fruit juice stamps.

If you are asking for the current Scott Catalog listed value, I would caution you that the value listed is outdated and really only a guide to value. Many things determine the value, the most important thing to me would be how do I regard the condition, the cancels, straight edge, faults, or other factors affecting the stamp in question. If the stamps in measure up to your ideals what these should be, then you have to decide if you are willing to pay the price as it is. Or you might offer something else, you never know, I've done this many time and have had my offer accepted. Of course it does not always work.

Good luck in your future stamp collecting adventures (stamp collecting is an adventure).

Did my attempt to answer your question help?

I am aware of all the variables in collecting revenue stamps. I require a starting point and the values in the Scott catalogue would aid me immensely in determining the price I am willing to pay.

Scott 2017

8 oz = REF3 - $150/$150

12 oz = REF4 - $25/$11

32 oz = REF9 - $160/$160

Don

Thanks Don.

Sounds like an ebay lot...

Sorry, guest I over thought my reply, you posting sounded like a brand new collector.

Again, sorry for over thinking.

What can I say, I'm an old guy.

I have a one frame exhibit of the fermented fruit juice, strictly used examples. Trying to find all the known users of each of the denominations is an enormous challenge. Good used copies of the 12 ounce (not the common MDC (Mission Dry Corporation) of H. B. Co (Hoffman Beverage)) go for multiples of the catalog price and much more than the mint price. Some companies used up to four different denominations! Most used only the 12 ounce. For anyone who is interested in the list of users, consult Nussmann and Woodworth's excellent book on cancels on the wine stamps published by the American Revenue Association and available from Eric Jackson and Richard Friedberg.

The first day that fermented fruit juice could be produced was May 1, 1933. Mission Dry used the regular wine stamps from about May 15 until May 31, when they used both the wine stamps and began used the fermented fruit juice. The fermented fruit juice stamps were in use only from about May 26 until December 4, 1933. Cancels later than September are fairly unusual. MDC used these frequently in May and June, less frequently in July and only two dates in August. They gave up their license to produce the first week in September, even though the expiration date of all the licenses to produce fermented fruit juice expired December 5, the day expected to be the end of Prohibition.

Need I say, I shun the mint fermented fruit juice stamps? To each his own.

I should add that the 32 ounce fermented fruit juice stamp is far more common mint than used,

Hi.

For years now, I accumulated these wine stamps. Sometimes one at a time. Now have about 30 of these example.

A number of years ago, I ran across information from a Mr. Amon who claims these wine stamps were overprinted by the "Maloney Davidson Co., of Louisville, KY.

But all the collectors and dealers I've asked claim these wine stamps were overprinted by the Mission Dry Corporation of Los Angeles CA.

What I find interesting, no dealer, or collector could explain to me what the number(s) are that have been overprinted over the face value of each example.

So, do you have any good reference material as to which company overprinted these, or maybe some other company. Do you have any idea what the number overprinted the face value represents?

Mission Dry Corporation is correct. The reference you want is "A Handbook of Cancels on United States Federal Wine Tax Stamps" by David G. Nussmann and Donald A Woodworth, Jr. 2011. 738 pages, hardbound.

It's approximately $65 and available from the ARA, Richard Friedberg, Eric Jackson, and numerous other sources.

It goes quite in depth into the MDC cancels.

The number in the middle is the rectification batch number. In order to produce the 3.2 wine, Mission Dry Corporation blended some things together, the process of rectification.

Revenuecollector, thanks for the valuable information.

Revenuermd, thanks, finally have the answer I've wondered about for many years.

Any way to know which company used the REF3 stamps that are simply dated? No company name.

Dave Nussmann in the aforementioned volume on the cancels on wine stamps opines that the missing initials on most copies are in Old English (always faint) and are either B.A. or R.A. No known user matches those initials.

Revenuermd thank you. Your thoughts on straight edge fermented fruit juice stamps.I have not been interested in straight edge stamps but it seems that at times if the cancellation is difficult to find a straight edge should be acceptable. Do you have a straight edge in your exhibit? If not completely rare would you wait for a non straight edge or acquire?