Plate Inquiry For Scott 22 From "Plate 4"?

of course now that the one stamp in Siegel auction I was intrigued with is off the auction block (7R1L Scott 23), I decided to look at some of the other 1c Franklins that are just perfectly centered up for Auction this month. They are beautiful.

So I decided to look at Lot 23... 1c Blue Scott 22, type IIIa from plate 4. Graded 95J. Wow

No exact plate position listed, just "Plate 4"... my god, it has 3 certificates!! Plate 4 ain't that tough! Both teams of experts at PF or PSE can't plate the thing???????? I thought to myself... I'll match this baby up. fun stuff. I'm just as good as they are (sarcasm)

So to confirm that such a huge margined jumbo-stamp was really a IIIa from plate 4, I pulled out the Neinken bible. Opened book up to plate 4, and then went nuts again trying to match the relief. The answer came to me after a short while. Never rely on the description of others. This stamp sold in 2012 ex Kirke from plate 4. I believe it is a IIIa and a beauty, but will let others comment on description/plating by Siegel. Just a fun exercise here as I don't think there is any difference value wise

Looks like a Type IIIa, from Plate #12 (possibly 11)

Another reason I don't trust either organization to plate these stamps! Thanks for sharing!

It's an A relief position from Plate 11.

Sinclair - Use the link I have provided to see what an "A" relief from plate 11 looks like. In particular look at the UL corner ornament. You will clearly see that relief "A" of plate 11 the ornament is incomplete. That is not the case with the stamp under discussion.

https://stampauctionnetwork.com/y/y100667.cfm

I have it as relief B from plate 11. Wasted 20 minutes of my life trying to plate it on plate 4. Couldn't get anywhere and then noted secret mark. I'll never get those 20 minutes back

rogdcam, If you want to challenge my knowledge of 1c stamps you better start bulking up on knowledge... for a few years. That sale you are linking - I attended it in person.

rg, focus on the ornaments at bottom.

Winston

Do you know who purchased those super rare blocks from plate 11 in that sale in 2011???

Some of those blocks have already been broken up. I think I know who know who the culprits were.

Sinclair - Happy to hear you attended the sale. Not sure what that has to do with it not being Relief "A" from plate 11. You must agree with that conclusion? Anyway, no need to be defensive. We never stop learning and no one is "challenging" you.

Who were the culprits?

I thought ornaments at bottom too complete to be A relief...that's why I went with B. Also incompleteness of ornament X at top right made me think B relief. Regardless, stamp cannot be plated.

Horrible that those blocks were broken up. I was assuming the collector who purchased them was interested in studying plate 11 and keeping these rarities intact so that at some point they can be used for plating. Oh well.

The left and right plumes of a B relief are much more complete than the A relief. This stamp can only be an A relief.

Wrong again Winston. LOL