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WWI Soldiers -- But Which Country?

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Posted 09/17/2017   01:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add GregAlex to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Let's test your powers of deduction. I found this real photo postcard in a bargain box and really liked the picture. I'm pretty sure this is from WWI, but there's nothing that specifically identifies the soldiers' nationality. Can anyone help identify them by their uniforms or something else in the photo?


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Posted 09/17/2017   01:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The photo on the wall appears to be Hindenburg, so maybe German.
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Posted 09/17/2017   02:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampmaster to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, how about a scan of the reverse side? Might or might not help, but worth a try!

Can anyone make out what is on the left wrist on the person second from right?

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Posted 09/17/2017   07:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Assuming the maps on the wall are of their operations area, can you make out anything on them? Might narrow the choice of the troops nationality.
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Posted 09/17/2017   08:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As PostmasterGS found it's Hindenberg:


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Posted 09/18/2017   12:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stampmaster, the back is blank, so no help there. I believe that's a wristwatch that one soldier is wearing.

I think the Hindenburg portrait is the key, though -- that sure looks like a match to me! So these are probably German officers.

For what it's worth, here is an extreme close-up of the top of the right map. Anyone want to take a stab at the territory?

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Posted 09/18/2017   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first word looks like Metz, north of Nancy in NE France. This would make the large river The Moselle. The map on the right clearly shows the border of Luxembourg. As for a date, we now have to start looking at German campaigns in this area, although an early date in WW1 is highly likely. Some homework for a Monday morning!
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Posted 09/25/2017   3:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Neat item. This past weekend, my wife and I went to a strip of antique shops in a small town nearby. Not one of them had any postcards. I was disappointed.
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Posted 09/25/2017   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps it reads "Metz Saalburg", and you can find more information about the Saalburg in the internet in English (in German there is: http://www.taunus-zeitung.de/lokale...690,904314). But you can check if the words are right. The line must be the border between Germany and France to that time (1871-1918).
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Posted 09/25/2017   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The map on the right is definitely of the area around Metz. The area at the top between the forking borders is Luxembourg. Compare the borders shown in the map to the yellow, pre-war borders shown here.

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Posted 09/26/2017   02:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great sleuthing! That certainly looks like the French-German border to me. The left map looks like more specific topography.
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Posted 09/26/2017   04:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The map on the right is definitely of the area around Metz. The area at the top between the forking borders is Luxembourg. Compare the borders shown in the map to the yellow, pre-war borders shown here.


You never fail to amaze me, Postmaster.
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Posted 09/26/2017   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The map on the left is really, really bugging me. I first thought it was the River Moselle but I'm sure that it isn't. Next thoughts were the River Rhine between Freiburg and Colmar, maybe even Mulhouse, as this is consistent with my thoughts of an early date for the photo and the campaigns associated with the map on the right (Alsace-Lorraine, Saar). However, the geography of the left-hand map doesn't seem right. The width of the river makes it look like quite a small scale map but (1:50,000 or 1:25,000) but the colour shading makes it look like a much larger scale, 1:100,000 or more, in which case the river is waaaay too wide.

Does anyone know what scale the German military topographic maps were?

Any sleuths good on German physical geography?
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Posted 09/26/2017   7:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Moyock13 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is Metz Salzburg. Metz, France and Salzburg, Austria. Distance between the two is about 325 miles, or so google says.
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Posted 09/26/2017   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jkelley01938 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The right map certainly looks to be in the Luxembourg to me. The boots and picture appear to be German.

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Posted 09/26/2017   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The left map is a topographical map of the area east of the Meuse river south of Verdun (the so-called St Mihiel salient). This is an area that was fairly static from 1914 until the St Mihiel offensive in September 1918. The lines at left are the Meuse river valley. To the right of the dark topo area you can see towns marked on the map that correspond to existing towns on a modern map. The town with a name marked at the upper edge of the dark area is Manheulles.

Compare to a modern Google maps topo.

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