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Anyone Know What This $5,000 Stamp Is?

 
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Posted 09/24/2017   8:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add James Drummond to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
It's printed on stiff paper (not card) so I don't think it was taken from a souvenir sheet or something similar.

Looking at the design closely, it also doesn't look like a photographic reproduction.

I don't see any mention of it in The Legendary Persian Rug by Thomas Kingsley.

Any ideas?

Jim

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Posted 09/24/2017   8:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Odd link but appears to be relevant
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...M-0084-2DJT9



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1872 Essay Proof. /Nu.S. $5,000 Internal Revenue Essay Proof (Never Issued). was reproduced on Premium Heavy Stock Paper which captures all of the vivid colors and details of the original. The overall paper size is 18.00 x 24.00 inches and the image size is 18.00 x 24.00 inches. This print is ready for hanging or framing. Brand New and Rolled and ready for display or framing. Print Title: 1872 Essay Proof. /Nu.S. $5,000 Internal Revenue Essay Proof (Never Issued).. Paper Size: 18.00 x 24.00 inches. Publisher: Granger Collection



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Posted 09/24/2017   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Don,

The black and white stamp above is stamp-sized, whereas the link you posted says it's a 18 by 24 inch poster, in color.

So I'm not sure what this thing is.

The proofs were all issued imperforate, too.

Jim
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Posted 09/24/2017   8:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the link is for a poster of the stamp from Newegg. I thought the other info might be a hint at what it is (1872 Essay Proof)...
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Posted 09/24/2017   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gorgeous regardless
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I copied the poster, and am posting it in case the image or offer disappears there will be a color image of the essay.



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Posted 09/24/2017   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is just one set of colors for this essay, there are several others. The Eagle Collection at the Postal Museum in DC has about 8 different. The b+w example that started this is some kind of photo or reproduction; as far as I know none were perforated and all were in various colors.
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Posted 09/24/2017   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It also does not appear to be engraved.
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Posted 09/24/2017   9:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There was a black and white souvenir sheet of the $5,000 stamp issued at Sipex - you might have a fraudulently perforated copy of that
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Posted 09/24/2017   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi SPQR,

This is the Sipex sheet. The perforated one doesn't seem even close.

Also below is a close up of George's head, if it will help determine if this is an engraved image.

Jim



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Posted 09/25/2017   05:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I, too, used to refer to these as essay proofs. But given that the design was approved means that it is not an essay. It is a proof of the approved design. The fact that none were ever printed and delivered has no bearing, It is an approved design, not an essay (not approved design).
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Posted 09/25/2017   06:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blcjr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revenuermd,

Is usage of the term "essay" really that limited? Here is Linn's definition:


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Essay: The artwork of a proposed design for a stamp. Some essays are rendered photographically. Others are drawn in pencil or ink or are painted. Most essays are rejected. One becomes the essay for the accepted design.


This seems to refer to the accepted design as an "essay." Certainly it is common to refer to essays of the accepted design as essays. Are you saying that everyone doing so is wrong? At some point in lexicography common practice comes into play.

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Posted 09/25/2017   08:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My understanding of the word "essay" was that it is an "unissued design". Approval never entered into it, just whether it was actually issued.
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I think that these should be called proofs and trial color proofs. Since they were approved they are more than essays. Check out the Gross Gallery in the National Postal Museum. I was the Guest Curator of the revenue section under the leadership of Cheryl Ganz and that is how they were described.

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Posted 09/25/2017   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I saw the Eagle Collection over the summer, there are about 8 different color combinations amid all the other brilliance in it.
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