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Posted 12/02/2017   1:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Partime to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
OK, I literally have 10,000+ of these on cover fragments. My father-in-law collected from family mailings over many years, and someone probably also collected business mail. Now, I have them.

Scott 247 and 256 are easy to tell apart due to the stamp shading, and I can't find any well-known re-entries in the Unitrade Catalog, or on http://re-entries.com. But I do note that Scott 247 is found without a watermark (in pair), or with an inverted watermark, while 256 is also noted without a watermark (in pair).

There is absolutely NO WAY that I am going to soak off every one of these. Is there any shortcut to seeing if one has the POTENTIAL to be an inverted watermark or lacking one (in pair)? Just wondering. In addition, any known re-entries that I haven't found? Thanks in advance.
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Posted 12/02/2017   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not to be snide (but I will be): how can anyone know if you've not found any known re-entries, if we don't know which re-entries you've found? Re: not taking the time to soak off stamps to see what the watermark is or isn't. If wonder how much information we would be lacking today, if some of our philatelic forefathers had that attitude?
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Posted 12/02/2017   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for not being snide.

Maybe restating the issue: Is there another website or resource that may list known re-entries on this stamp? I'm giving them a cursory review as I look for interesting cancellations, but I am not putting each under the microscope.

I also do plan to soak off all of the multiples, of which I found at least 100 so far. Maybe some of these will be inverted or missing watermark examples.

Happy stamping!
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Posted 12/02/2017   7:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trodent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have not seen any varieties on the 4 cents(yet) other than some slip prints.(blurry images)

I have checked the NSSC catalog and they have no varieties list there either other than color and the watermarks/no watermarks

247 is the perf 12.5, listed as being blue
256 is the perf 13.5, listed as being blue and also bright blue variety

You could try the BNAPS website and checkout the Newfoundland Newsletters at http://www.bnaps.org/hhl/n-nfie.htm

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256 is the perf 13.5, listed as being blue and also bright blue variety

Thanks for that information. My Unitrade does not list two colors for 256. I'll also do further research, and, if anything interesting comes up, I'll post it here.
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Searching for a few hours. Still need to soak this one, but I found Scott/Unitrade 255i. Broken A in LAND.


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Posted 12/02/2017   11:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trodent to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you find a 256 3 cent with very blurry print and a postmark, please post it.

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Posted 12/03/2017   12:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
At this point, all of the stamps look very blurry and almost all have a postmark. I'll keep looking.
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Posted 12/03/2017   08:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Partime...Read what trodent wrote.

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I also do plan to soak off all of the multiples,


Please be aware..Check your cancellations on these torn cover bits..There might be a semi or rare cancellations you could destroy.


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I have not seen any varieties on the 4 cents

As for me..I have not cane across any oddities with this stamp and have spent many an hour looking over them.


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My Unitrade does not list two colors for 256

Correct..Get yourself a copy of N.S.S.C. catalogue. (Newfoundland Specialized Stamp Catalogue)...A lot more detail in perfs, size, etc.

If you want to see inverted watermark,etc..soak away.


Also there are other varieties that exist like your broken "A" ...Look at the oddity below on my Scott 246

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Posted 12/03/2017   10:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yes, still searching diligently. I am looking for interesting, legible cancellations. They are few and far between. I'll post some later. I've also seen some odd "A's" in my searches. I'll keep looking for those also. Thanks for the guidance.
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Posted 12/03/2017   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjung to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is a way to use a scanner that scans photo negatives to determine if a stamp has a watermark without removing the stamp from the piece. This way you could scan a bunch and see the watermarks. Bit tough to do and need to have the special scanner. I have an Epson Perfection V550 Photo that does this.
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Posted 12/03/2017   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As a Newfie only collector since 1970, I agree with WERT. Invest in the NSSC and keep your Unitrade as a general good high school reference book.

And to agree with some other post comments : floating and removing stamps from torn fragments can be ok, but you can also destroy value. for example, if it is on a valid cover with any information, the stamp as a cover can be worth 5 to 100 times as much. or even if it has a postmark with a clear postal location or date. be careful and mindful of this. lastly, it might not be worth your time to do all the floating/removal for this issue, as they are near worthless due to the amount of supply out there--unless of course you are on the hunt for re-entries etc.

thanks for sharing--any other Newfie stamps to share?
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Thanks for all of the advise. I don't have any complete envelopes. Nothing new to share yet, but here are some of the legible town cancels found on the paper fragments. None are absolutely clear, and most fall between 1940 to 1950. Please excuse the errors, and please advise if anything is worth scanning to help clarify.

Town CDS: (Some are guesses to fill in some blanks)
Badger
Bay Roberts
Bell Island
Botwood
Camp Bellton N.D.B.
Carbone
Channel
Corner Brook
Curling
Deer Lake
Gander
Grand Falls
Harbour Grace
Lenisporte
Little Bay N.O.B.
Mullertown
Placentia
S.T.J. & P.A.B.R.P.O.
Twilling (incomplete)

Miscellaneous: (Spray cancel, slogan)
Post Office Terra Nova
"Eat more Newfoundland Fish – Help our Fishermen"

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Posted 12/03/2017   6:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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any other Newfie stamps to share?


Here's Scott/Unitrade 257, the Caribou. Could be just ink dribbles, but looks like a crack in the upper right, and another minor one in the W. What do you think?


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Posted 12/04/2017   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Trodent wrote:
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If you find a 256 3 cent with very blurry print and a postmark, please post it.


I found a 256, 4 cent with a very blurry print, though it is probably just a kiss print. In your answer, did you mean the 255 3 cent, or the 256 4 cent? If interested, I will post it this upcoming weekend.
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Wert wrote:
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Also there are other varieties that exist like your broken "A" ...Look at the oddity below on my Scott 246


I located a strip of 3, all with the "short A" that you showed in your earlier example. In fact, I found one or two others just after this find. Is it a relatively common type?

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