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Canada New Circular And Pictorial Postmarks / Cancels

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Posted 01/07/2010   05:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gee, I hope I look as good as the Queen does when I get to her age!

djd, I googled the Latin motto on your cancel from Ralston, Alberta and it is the motto for Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Suffield , Alberta and the crest in the cancel is it's ensign or insignia. There was no translation online for the latin but the words mean something like Excellent Order or Ordinance.
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Posted 01/25/2010   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice postmarks and interesting information.

WpgLwr, how would a "hammer" be defined?

Can a "hammer" be a rubber stamp?
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Edited by modern_who - 01/25/2010 4:01 pm
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Posted 01/25/2010   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I couldn't find a picture anywhere of a hammer, so I had to draw one:



As you can see, they are made of metal and wood. A duplex hammer would have an additional series of killer bars next to the postmark. The method of operation is to "hammer" the postmark head onto an ink pad and then hit the stamp on the envelope, thus transferring the ink to it. Note that the postmark head would have the city and province name in reverse type as well as the circular outline, and the date would be changed by unscrewing the head and dropping in a piece of metal type that has the correct day (1 through 31) on it.



The envelope would be placed on a rubber pad inset onto the cancelling table, because the rubber under the envelope would give the necessary "spring" to transfer the ink when it was hit. It would not transfer satisfactorily if placed on the wood part of the table.

A rubber stamp would never be referred to as a hammer, it would be called a rubber stamp always. Only this particular tool was known as a hammer.
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Edited by WpgLwr - 01/25/2010 8:03 pm
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Posted 01/25/2010   8:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very good. Now I see why they call this a hammer.

Thank you.

Good drawing, by the way!

You say this is a Canadian Post Office Hammer. I wonder if such tools were used in the states because I have only hard reference to them from Canadian collectors, one just today who collects "clerks hammers" on Canadian RPO facing slips.
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Edited by modern_who - 01/25/2010 8:44 pm
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Posted 01/25/2010   9:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I'm not mistaken, the USPS also used hammers, but whether they called them that, I don't know.

Here is an example of a Canadian Duplex Hammer cancel, with a conventional postmark at the left and a killer cancel at the right:



which is typical.

Note this American example of the same sort of thing:



which was cancelled three times. Somebody must have been lousy at aiming! Note that the left impression is inked as much as the one at the upper right, and the lower middle one shows that it was made last because parts of it aren't even inked anymore.

However, this is typical; as I recall, the metal stamp was usually good for two stampings before it became largely illegible and had to be re-inked.

As to facing slips, one of those you posted in your other thread shows more clearly a duplex hammer cancel:



Facing slips (at Canada Post, we still called them that or sometimes they were called "bundle slips") were put on bundles of letters to show the destination of the whole bundle; an elastic band was usually pulled over them to hold the facing slip down and the letters together. This bundle was then put into a mailbag. A mailbag could carry several bundles, all with different facing slips depending on the mail routing from that office. When the bag was dumped at the destination, the bundles would be pulled out, and those for that town would be sent over to be sorted; those for another town down route would be put into that office's bag for that destination.

For example, I worked at the Post Office in Fort Frances, Ontario. If we were sending a bag to Thunder Bay, there would be bundles of letters bearing the following facing slips: Thunder Bay, Finmark, Raith, Upsala, Pine Portage, Geraldton, Beardmore, Longlac, Nakina, and Manitouwadge.



The clerk who opened the bag in Thunder Bay would send the bundles bearing the facing slip that said Thunder Bay over to the desk where they sorted City mail. Those for Finmark, Upsala, and Raith would go into either mailbags for each of those towns (which would all go on the same mail truck headed west since they're all in the same direction), and those for Pine Portage, Beardmore, Geraldton, and Longlac would also go into their own bags and all go onto the mail truck driving east. The bundles for Manitouwadge and Nakina would also go into the Longlac bag.

At Longlac, when they opened their bag, the bundle for Longlac would then go to the desk where they sorted the town's mail, and the bundles for Manitouwadge and Nakina would go into bags for each of those towns; Nakina's would then go on a train heading north from Longlac and Manitouwadge's would go on a train heading south from Longlac.

The facing slip, when received, tells the clerk that all letters under the facing slip are for the town named on the slip and that they were dispatched from the town whose postmark appears on the facing slip on the date in the postmark.

Anyway, whether these tools were called hammers in the USPS, I don't know. The best way to find out would be to ask your local Postmaster; if he/she is young, they likely have an older colleague that they can find the answer from.
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Edited by WpgLwr - 01/25/2010 10:32 pm
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Posted 01/25/2010   11:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That US cancel could have been done without a hammer. I had a link to an antique PRO canceling device posted here some time ago but the page that showed the photo is gone. This device had a long, heavy, sculpted wooden handle, a metal base for the information that was to be applied, and another metal piece off at the side that canceled the stamp. Have tried to find another such photo online but couldn't. That still leaves the hammer question up in the air, however.

That photo used to be here:

http://antiques-internet.com/colora...e/IP4618.htm

Today, I would have grabbed it, but that was nearly two years ago, when this site was new.
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Edited by modern_who - 01/25/2010 11:23 pm
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Posted 01/25/2010   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found the photos of the old RPO cancellation stamp.





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Posted 01/26/2010   02:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, neat.

I think that qualifies as a "handstamp". It surprises me that the tool wasn't in fact a duplex hammer.

Maybe Canada is the only place in the world where the Post Office uses hammers.
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Posted 01/26/2010   07:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forgive my ignorance, but if I can read the bottom of that stamp, wouldn't it be "backwards" when applied to the cover?

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Posted 01/26/2010   08:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great info and pics WpgLwr and Modern_Who!

Canada Post hammer, strike and die set (from ebay, previously listed, called it a hand stamp)







I noticed that a fellow in Great Britain called a strike on a stamp a hammer strike so maybe our (Canada's) tools (or the idea for them anyway) came from Great Britain?
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Posted 01/26/2010   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Forgive my ignorance, but if I can read the bottom of that stamp, wouldn't it be "backwards" when applied to the cover?



Kirk, the image was flipped. Probably so that bidders could read what it said. I've flipped it back in PhotoShop.



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Posted 01/26/2010   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puzzler, compared to the American hand stamping device, I guess you'd call that hammer a power tool!
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Posted 01/27/2010   08:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Modern_who:

Thank goodness; I was scratching my watch and winding my ... Well, let's just say I was confused about that one

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Posted 01/27/2010   11:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, perfect, Puzzler. That's the very animal, with its tin box of type. Actually, I am surprised you have one, because when they're decommissioned, they're supposed to be sent to Ottawa, but I doubt that Canada Post is going to come after you for having one.

As for the term coming from Great Britain, that wouldn't be surprising at all.

Admittedly, the hammer is a very low-tech tool, dating to the 1800s, and in the early years of the Post Office, many of the Postmasters in Canada were Brits. The name probably came with the technology over the pond. "Hammer" sounds a lot more logical than the technical-sounding "hand cancelling device".

No Post Office, no matter how small was without one. While larger offices may have been given a duplex hammer or (in time) a cancelling/postmarking machine (most of which were hand-operated with a rotating wheel with a big handle on it), they had at least one of these first.

Still, it would be interesting to see what the USPS called these, if they had anything like it. Seems to me, most of the time they had rubber stamps. I remember back in the 60s, the Post Office in International Falls, Minnesota, had a whole array of rubber stamps, from the big circular postmark with three horizontal bars next to it, to the "squashed donut", all of which would be wielded by anxious postal clerks with burgundy-coloured ink pads.
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Posted 01/27/2010   11:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
WpgLwr, I should have been more specific. I meant that the pictures were from ebay. I do not have a hammer nor do I want one. Or letter type! I have enough problems with regular hammers let alone a postal hammer. I would probably whack myself in the head with it or some tom fool thing.

Fascinating info and perspective you have and give to the topics.

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