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Adelade 2016 Emergency Issue 30 Cent Stamps

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Posted 12/29/2017   07:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So which Post Office in Victoria made this decision?

Adelaide's General Post Office
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Posted 12/29/2017   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've always understood that Adelaide was in South Australia, certainly not in Victoria.
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Posted 12/29/2017   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revdoc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To rob041256, Hi Rob, thanks for your advice on these stamps. I will hang on to them and see what happens and try not to ruffle any more feathers. David.
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Posted 12/29/2017   4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I've always understood that Adelaide was in South Australia, certainly not in Victoria.

My age must be catching up to me, apologies, I meant South Australia.

But the remainder of the story remains unchanged.

Rob
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Edited by Rob041256 - 12/29/2017 4:50 pm
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Posted 12/29/2017   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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thanks for your advice on these stamps. I will hang on to them and see what happens and try not to ruffle any more feathers. David.

Hi revdoc

Ruffling feathers is the only way to find answers to queries.

Rob
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Posted 12/29/2017   5:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
None of us are getting any younger Rob.:-) lol
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Posted 12/29/2017   11:48 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There was a long discussion of these in this folder previously - title was "Feeding frenzy in Australia over the 2016 30c Provisionals" - last post was March 24 2017 if my short term memory is working (you have to go back several pages in the folder to find it)
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Posted 12/30/2017   02:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An Australia Post Office counter printed stamp is an Australian counter printed stamp.

Australia post supplied the stamp printing machine to that Post Office to use.

Would not be on my collecting list but it does not look like a Cinderella or label to me.

Has all the attributes of a 30c Australian stamp.
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Posted 12/30/2017   08:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are not official stamps, if that were the case then every major post office would have licence to print their own, and there would be no need to use the government printing office.

These issues are really counter printed labels, not stamps, though the word "stamps" has been the common word to define them amongst those who have been lured into the hype.

As long as there is a feeding frenzy, there will be buyers, but at the end, many fingers will have been burnt in process of owning these "stamps".

The counter printing machine at the King William Street premises is usually used for local philatelic activities such as souvenir stamps and labels, the emergency "stamps" were made at this premise.

Even though some philatelists and "investors" alike would like to hang onto the belief they are "stamps", they are not, unless made from an official government approved printing firm.

The Adelaide G.P.O. is not in the business of making stamps, so therefore they can be called counter printed labels.


The CPS machine that originally made the threatened species self-adhesive labels with the face value of 45 cents, also made the 30 cent emergency "stamp", the emergency stamp looks strikingly like the 45 cent peel and sticks.

Why would the 45 cent peel and stick be called a label, and the 30 cent peel and stick be called a stamp, when the printing process of both is exactly the same from the same type of machine that created them.

Unless they are officially recognised as stamps, these emergency issues can be called "labels" or even "Cinderellas", but definitely not a "stamp".
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Posted 12/30/2017   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting discussion of these (and I agree they were aggressively hyped by a certain dealer). Just curious though, since they were valid for postage, how could they be called a cinderella, which by definition is something not issued for postal purposes? Also, what is the difference between this type of label and a FRAMA, which I understand is a vending machine label priced in SG catalogs?
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Edited by Jenny2U - 12/30/2017 11:15 am
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Posted 12/30/2017   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since these stamps were valid for postage from one location only which was the Adelaide GPO, they should be philatelically referred to as "The Emergency Provisional Adelaide Locals" (TEPAL).
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Edited by jogil - 12/30/2017 11:18 am
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Posted 12/30/2017   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jogil

These stamps were also sold from a number of suburban post offices in Adelaide and have been described by an Australia Post manager as retail issue. They are official issue and were actually mentioned on the Facebook of Australia Post on it's collectibles page.

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Frank
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Posted 12/30/2017   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add langtounlad to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rob041256

You said "that there would be no need to use the government printing office".

The Government Printing Office was sold sold off in 1997 - each government agency now arranges its own printing.

The last stamp printed by a government printer (Note Printing Branch) was the APEX stamp in 1981.

The base stamps for the Adelaide issue were printed at an Australia Post approved printer and had to be specially produced in roll form for the Adelaide counter printing machine (there used to be about 20 of these machines on issue to stamp distribution offices). Hardly unofficial in these circumstances as all printing contracts are managed from Auspost HQ.

The Adelaide distribution centre only added the value and the words "Adelaide 2016".

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Posted 12/30/2017   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So is the 2d King Edward VIII stamp a label as well?
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Posted 12/30/2017   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So is the 2d King Edward VIII stamp a label as well?

No, that's actually a stamp, it was sanctioned by the Postmaster General and printed officially by the government printer at the time.

It is known as an unissued stamp as a result of the King's abdication in 1936, it can be given a certificate of authenticity confirming it to be a stamp of great rarity, can this be done to the "stamps" in question?
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