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Ebay To Put The Squeeze On Paypal

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Posted 01/31/2018   8:27 pm  Show Profile Check docgfd's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add docgfd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
" ebay intends to further improve its customer experience by intermediating payments on its Marketplace platform. In doing so, ebay will manage the payments flow, simplifying the end-to-end experience for buyers and sellers. ebay has signed an agreement with Adyen, a leading global payments processor, to become its primary payments processing partner. PayPal, a long-time ebay partner, will be a payments option at checkout for ebay buyers. The transition to full payments intermediation will be a multi-year journey, and ebay will move as quickly as possible to complete this process within the parameters of the Operating Agreement with PayPal, which remains in place through mid-2020.

As a leading global commerce company, ebay believes that payments intermediation is strategically important to improve the buyer and seller experience on its platform and will enable the company to further innovate on behalf of its customers. In a rapidly changing and competitive ecommerce landscape, shoppers expect to be able to both shop and checkout on the site on which they transact. As ebay intermediates payments, shoppers will be able to complete their purchases within ebay. As a global marketplace that operates in over 190 markets, ebay also must continue to provide localized payment options for buyers and sellers that are tailored to their unique needs.

Over the past three years, ebay has transformed its business to drive the best choice, most relevance and most powerful selling platform. Building out ebay's payments capabilities is the next step in the company's strategy, with the goal of driving significant benefits and efficiencies for its buyers and sellers globally.

Specific Customer Benefits

For sellers:
•Lower Costs and More Control of Their Economics. Most sellers can expect their costs of payments processing to be reduced after they transition to ebay's intermediated payments model, and benefit from a simplified pricing structure and more predictable access to their funds.
•A Central Place to Manage Their Business. ebay is working on solutions to provide sellers with information about their ebay business, inclusive of payments information, in one place so that sellers can easily track and manage all of their transactions and customer interactions on ebay.
•Greater Buyer Reach and Improved Conversion. By offering buyers more choice in how they pay and expanding payment options into more geographies, ebay believes sellers will be able to reach more buyers and improve conversion.

For buyers:
•More Payment Options at Checkout. ebay is focused on providing consumers greater choice in payment options at checkout.
•An Integrated Checkout Experience. ebay will manage the entire checkout experience, delivering a more streamlined experience for consumers.

Strategic Partners

ebay has signed an agreement with Adyen to be its primary partner for payments processing globally, including in North America. Adyen powers payment processing for a number of the world's leading global marketplaces and brings to this partnership a broad global footprint with a flexible and scalable technology platform. Adyen's wide geographic reach and experience at scale extends to more than 150 currencies and over 200 methods of payments.

Additionally, ebay and PayPal have aligned on terms to offer PayPal as a way to pay at checkout on the ebay intermediated model until July 2023. PayPal will remain an important partner to ebay.

Long-Term Investments

ebay has begun making significant investments across its business to build the capabilities required to intermediate payments. The company's payments team is led by Alyssa Cutright, Vice President of Payments, and Jingming Li, Vice President of Payments Platform, to oversee the business and product development, as well as Yvette Bohanan, Vice President of Risk Management, leading the payments risk management team.

Together, these leaders bring significant payments expertise from Alipay, Google, HSBC, Square and Wells Fargo. Over time, ebay expects to have a team of several hundred business, product, and risk specialists driving its payment capabilities.

Timing

ebay will begin payments intermediation on the Marketplace platform on a small scale in North America starting in the second half of 2018, expanding in 2019 under the terms of the Operating Agreement with PayPal. In 2021, ebay expects to have transitioned a majority of its Marketplace customers to its new payments experience.

The way that sellers engage with ebay in an intermediated landscape will, for the most part, be very similar as they do today. For example, sellers will not need to change their accounts with ebay. Sellers will continue to log into ebay and manage their listings as they do today. As ebay begins to intermediate payments, sellers can expect to see new, streamlined dashboards and reports inclusive of payments – all within ebay.

Specifically:
•As ebay transitions to a fully intermediated platform, it will work closely with its sellers to ensure that its new payment capabilities reflect their needs and deliver value to them.
•To enable payments in their ebay accounts, sellers should expect to provide ebay with some additional payments-related data and transition to a new relationship with ebay that includes integrated payments capabilities.
•Sellers will be required to complete these steps in order to continue selling on ebay, and it is anticipated that this transition for sellers will occur no later than one year after the expiration of ebay's Operating Agreement with PayPal, i.e., by July 2021.
•As ebay gets closer to the initial phase of its intermediation efforts, it will share more details about this process and next steps for its sellers. In the meantime, sellers can contact ebay now at paymentsinfo@ebay.com to stay up-to-date on ebay's payments efforts and timing, share feedback and ask questions."
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Posted 01/31/2018   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If only ebay put one hundredth of the effort into getting rid of all of the scammers. Better payment processing? Laughable.
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Posted 01/31/2018   10:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While shopping for a particular class of item, I noticed that ebay now put all of those purchases into a single shopping cart, giving me the feel of one transaction with ebay, while they distributed the purchase orders to the individual sellers.

This certainly seems like an improvement, but ...

Q/ When did they make that change? Or, was it always that way?

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey (who has been off-Bay for some months now)
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Posted 01/31/2018   11:01 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Been that way for a long time now. You can still buy individual items by doing Buy It Now, but if you instead Add to Cart, it combines them into a single checkout.
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Posted 02/01/2018   12:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you put in your selling ads -----Only Paypal accepted
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Posted 02/01/2018   12:52 am  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Floor - For now, but once they make the transition (which will be awile), then not likely.
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Posted 02/01/2018   01:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It will be interesting to find out what happens to sellers of high ticket altered or bogus stamps when ebay becomes the "merchant of record". Will disgruntled buyers be able to go after ebay in court or report them to law enforcement?

I am not going to worry about immediate changes to payment processing. It could take three or four years to fully implement. By then the stamp market as we now know it may have changed. Remember tulip bulbs?

More worrisome is continuing escalation of postage rates, specifically retail First Class Package rates favored by ebay. In August of 2017 rates increased from $2.61 to $3.00 and then to $3.50 on January 20th this year. Computer printed postage went up only 6 cents to $2.67. International rates are also quite high because mailing items of value is no longer allowed in untracked First Class Mail International. Sellers on ebay who don't use tracking won't earn discounts and listings would be ranked lower in search. I expect that the price of discount postage will take another hit as the gap between retail and commercial base rates widens.

Could this mean the end of using stamps? Will ebay force sellers to pay for and print ebay labels?

Can Fulfillment by ebay be far off? Imagine being forced to send stamps to ebay before listings are posted.

It is difficult enough to download and process PayPal tranaaction reports. Will ebay be able to do better? Their dismal software development track record suggests that reports could be incomplete or full of errors. Will ebay continue to roll data off their site after three months making it impossible to create reports for the entire year. PayPal data is available from the date the account was opened.

Finally, what happens if funds go missing? How many sellers would notice if small amounts disappeared?
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Posted 02/01/2018   06:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jkelley01938 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe some competition for PayPal will be a good thing.

Jack Kelley
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Posted 02/01/2018   08:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good ole ebay.."hey! something is working...let's break it!"

"by intermediating payments" is a term that bothers me. It can mean so much.

When will sellers have access to the funds? Will it be like Amazon? Will sellers only get their payments once buyers receive the goods and leave feedback? Will funds be doled out in part or whole? Can we transfer funds around the way we can now on PayPal? How will refunds be handled? Will sellers have any say or even a notification prior to the fact of any refund?

I prefer PayPal where I know I have immediate access to funds in order to pay for postage and shop right away. I have a PayPal debit card and can make that happen. Will that be available through this new Ayden service? I don't necessarily have large amounts of fund sitting around to cover postage costs if I don't have immediate access to what the buyers paid.

I also have some of the same concerns as cfrphoto when it comes to shipping. Will tracking be required on every shipment? Will ebay labels be the only way to ship an item (death to use of stamps for mailing)? Will GSP be more of a factor or even mandatory eventually? So many potential nightmare scenarios which may or may not play out, but questions that come to mind.

Also for buyers - this might be a way for ebay to collect sales taxes directly. Also for everyone - we'll have to fork over our personal information to another entity. This new company will need our social security numbers and ebay will probably want it too.
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Posted 02/01/2018   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You two guys put up a scary future for dealing with ebay . I guess I'll do like thousands of collectors done before me and are still doing now . Sell off all your loose and unwanted stock on ebay and reduce your holdings to your better stuff and call it a day with ebay and move on .

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Posted 02/01/2018   09:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I didn't know about the USPS changes that happened this month either. I don't really know if selling online internationally will be a thing anymore for selling low priced items. From what I'm reading in the link below. U.S. sellers cannot mail stamps and covers at the First Class Letter or Large Flats rate. Who wants to pay $8.00 to $14.00 shipping on a 2oz shipment for a $5 cover? It use to around $2. The future of selling stamps and covers is looking bleak unless someone can tell me better.

https://about.usps.com/postal-bulle...updt_006.htm
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Posted 02/01/2018   09:47 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I hope this is translated into English before ebay "builds out" its "intermediating" in the UK. With luck, I'll have disposed of most of my junk before it takes full effect.
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Posted 02/01/2018   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty sure that the USPS had no choice but to raise rates. The USPS has been getting financially crushed in recent years, they have recorded a staggering loss of over $60 billion since 2007 including a $5.6 billion loss in 2016 alone. Most of this is the cost of health care for existing and past employees. But...

Neither USPS or ebay cares about stamp collectors or this hobby, they are trying to figure out how to survive ( Amazon and Google are owning ebay). ebay thinks it is competing with Amazon and continues to move towards supporting only 'Buy It Now' new merchandise. Currently 80% of ebay sellers are women.

Amazon and the USPS have cut deals with China. Doh. Anyone can see that you can buy computer cables for $0.99, necklaces for $0.88, 10 watch batteries for $0.82...all with postage included. How in the hell can they do this?

Simple. The USPS is giving subsidizing postage rates to China. Nice huh? US taxpayers are subsidized loss-leader postage rates for Chinese companies while we suck up rate increases to cover it.

Call your politicians and complain.
Don

Edit to add quote from Forbes article

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In 2011, the U.S. Postal Service made special agreements with the national postal carriers of China and Hong Kong (and subsequently South Korea and Singapore) to allow tracking-enabled packages not exceeding 36" or weighing over 4.4 pounds to be sent to the U.S. for extremely low rates. They called this shipping option the ePacket, and the rates are so low that it's cheaper to ship small parcels from China to an American city than it is to send that same parcel domestically....

As Amazon's Vice President of Global Policy Paul Misener pointed out:

"The cost to ship a one-pound package from South Carolina to New York City would run nearly $6; from Beijing to NYC: $3.66."
While sending that same one-pound package from New York City back to Beijing via USPS International Mail would cost in the ballpark of $50.

This state of affairs also makes Chinese merchants virtually immune to returns from U.S. customers, turning international e-commerce into a one-way street.
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Posted 02/01/2018   12:28 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Makes my blood boil...
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Posted 02/01/2018   2:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don ----I can't believe that deal for Chinese shippers .That explains the tons of bulk stamp auction lots that N.Y.Stamps has been buying over the last few years. For those who don't know ,N.Y.Stamps has been buying $200,000 to $250,000 of bulk junk lots and bulky collections at stamp auctions around the U.S. . Let me put it a different way, they have pushed prices up for stamp dealers and E-Bay sellers to break down large box lots .They buy so much stuff and you can see it is not being sold by them on ebay ,sure they sell some but never close to what they buy .

Now you are telling me they can beat me price wise in selling collection lots due to the better shipping rates .
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