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Design A45A 2c Jackson - A Particular Mark Under The Left Scroll!!!

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Posted 02/27/2018   4:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Txstamp, by all means no!
If the mark I am pointing here is not present on the plate in intentional way, then most likely this particular wearing is present in one position, only.
However, similar wearing is presented by other stamps, in the same region, under the left scroll. It would be interesting to have access to the original die proofs.
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Posted 02/27/2018   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So let's assume all plates are made at the same time and used in a rotation so they wear evenly from plate to plate and within each plate ... and try to overthrow more than a century of scholarship with a handful of used stamps and some scans pulled from the internet. Sorry to be blunt, but I am a complete non-believer on all of your special printing theories of the past month or two based on scant evidence at best. May I sell you an bridge in Brooklyn?
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Posted 02/27/2018   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John Becker, I simply don't get it:
I am putting forward a hypothesis based on a real stamp and images of other real stamps.
... and now all the Hell breaks loose against me?
C'mon, guys, it is supposed to be a constructive discussion based on evidence, not on ego
Again, my hypothesis would most likely concern only the later Special Printings of A45a. So, if any of you has such a certified stamp, please have a good look at your stamp and come forward with your finding! I offer a free drink when we first meet
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Edited by aug-stamps - 02/27/2018 5:06 pm
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Posted 02/27/2018   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How many of the regular-issue stamps do you actually own? Multiples? How many certified special printings? How many proofs? Now many dated covers?
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Posted 02/27/2018   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
... John Becker, you always have knowledgeable posts. On this occasion, I believe you can do better than this approach of 'who has the bigger ... collection'
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Posted 02/27/2018   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Honestly, I would understand such personal attacks if coming from 'investors' in stamps.
From real stamp lovers - no way, sorry ...
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Posted 02/27/2018   5:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am asking a fairly simple question. How much material do you have at hand to draw conclusions?
I am not a student of this issue, but believe in scholarship and weight of evidence.
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Posted 02/27/2018   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John Becker, I already posted my only stamp presenting this particular feature.
In the following days I will study again every single A45 and A45a from my albums and if I find another similar one I will post it here, of course.
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Posted 02/27/2018   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can OP explain if he/she is trying to find a marking that will discriminate a common soft paper Scott 183 from soft paper special printings Scott 193 or 203? Very tough to follow the hypothesis here.

Since stamps 183, extremely rare 193, and the super rare 203 come in distinctly different colors, ( although the super rare 203 which only like 20 known examples known is quite similar vermilion but a little darker than 183) what is issue.
All the stamps should have the vague secret mark that is seen uncommonly but in same area of stamp that OP is pointing out.

Not sure I follow this?

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Posted 02/27/2018   5:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am both befuddled and bemused.
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Posted 02/27/2018   6:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rgstamp, while studying a 2c Jackson stamp I realized that it presents this particular feature - the first line under left scroll ending obliquely, towards the joining point of the scroll lines. The stamp has a double impression on the back, from the sheet being laid on top of another freshly printed sheet.
So, I started looking at the other stamps of A45 or A45a design in my albums and none of them is having anything remotely similar, I started searching online for a possible explanation.
Then, I read various books authored by pillars of modern Philately.
Also, thanks to the Internet, I was able to search among a few hundred images of various 2c Jackson stamps, available online. Many of them, certified by different bodies.
After all of this, I feel sufficiently comfortable about making the hypothesis enounced in this post.
The reason I created the post is very simple: I invite the members of the forum in possession of such stamps to check their stamps and post here their findings!
Right or wrong - I am pretty comfortable to be proven either way, with factual findings.
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Posted 02/27/2018   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
you didn't answer my question. Do you think you found a mark that discriminates a common soft paper #183 from a super rare soft paper #193 Special Printing or #203 Special Printing? Is this your hypothesis? Yes or no, because I can't follow the A45/ A45a thing as you try to explain, since all A45a have so called secret-mark (that is always ambiguous and seem to vary from stamp to stamp) in the same spot you are looking at on your stamp.

And since A45 are not soft paper, whether a mark is present or not in this area doesn't matter as one can discriminate between A45 and A45a easily generally by paper type.
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Posted 02/27/2018   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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However, similar wearing is presented by other stamps, in the same region, under the left scroll. It would be interesting to have access to the original die proofs.


I have them and suggested that you would need them. You declined. Now you want to see them?

Which die proofs do you want to see.



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I am putting forward a hypothesis based on a real stamp and images of other real stamps.


No sir, you are not. You are engaging in pure speculation and will not accept evidence that challenges it. An hypothesis must be motivated by real evidence.
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Posted 02/27/2018   6:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rgstamp, I think this particular feature appears on the A45a plates sometime towards the end of #183 and the beginning of #193 issues, 1879 or 1880. Also, I believe it might be present on stamps from the collections of other members of this forum.
If it proves to be typical only for the 'specials' then even better.
Secret mark or not, at this point in time it really is irrelevant.
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Posted 02/27/2018   6:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Essayk, if you have the die proofs of #183, #193 and #203 please post them here!
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