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Help To Identify: US Scott# 120A?

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Posted 03/05/2018   7:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Phil_Atelic to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Would like your opinions, thank you.
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Posted 03/05/2018   8:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are these and the other photos for your other threads from an ebay seller?
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Posted 03/05/2018   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Phil_Atelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lets not get into that please...lol I should know better by now.
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Posted 03/05/2018   9:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I ask because the 120a looks like a Cartel item.
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Posted 03/05/2018   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Phil_Atelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, I understand that is a real possibility. The item pictures do not seem to indicate a grill so I dont know what else to make of it?

Its a calculated risk, the most I can lose is a trip to the PF.
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Posted 03/05/2018   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Phil_Atelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I mean is every item from them a fake, misidentified, totally worthless? What can they gain if I am not pleased and put in for a refund with ebay and paypal,the float of the money?
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Posted 03/05/2018   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The genuine quality items are never purchased unless the bidding gets very enthusiastic because the shill bidding will not allow a win. Not sure about the refund part except that a majority of folks probably do not do what you are doing. Question the item and seek advise which is a smart thing.
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Posted 03/06/2018   01:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Reedededge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I got bilked by the cartel. It was part of my learning curve, so let me see if I can save you a little aggravation. At the time, unbeknownst to me, one perpetrator used several different ebay id's to schill bid back and forth, until they got you to their desired level. If memory serves me, the sellers id that I purchased from was "postage due", the stamp in question was a PR-111, described as OG MNH. I found out later from reading The Grant Inman Catalog (Siegel-June, 2016), this stamp probably does not exist in sound MNH, OG. But, I digress. After "spirited bidding", I won this stamp for approximately $2400, but with an unlimited extension to submit the stamp to either PF or APEX for expertization, and a money-back guarantee if I was not satisfied with their opinion. What did I have to lose, right?? WRONG!! After 3+ months, I received the stamp back from APEX stating that it was an authentic PR-111 but had been regummed. When I tried to notify the seller of this, 3 1/2 months after the fact, their user id was no longer valid. After playing a convoluted connect the dots game to get hold of somebody at this firm, I was politely informed by a young lady with a British accent that ebay had suspended their Account and frozen their money. The best they could do was compensate me $400 and I would keep the stamp. When I objected and said a refund of $1500 was more in line with what the stamp was actually worth, I was politely told that the offer was non-negotiable. I ended up taking their "deal"; to add insult to injury, it took almost another month to get the funds back in my Paypal account. Never was the original offer of a refund even on the table. So, there is what you're dealing with-same actors and a different play.....but I can tell you from first- hand experience, the plot will be the same with a similar disappointing ending. My advice is to save your money and buy your stamps elsewhere.
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Posted 03/06/2018   01:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Reedededge. Your story ought to be burned into everyone's mind. It is exactly what we have been warning about for a number of years in this community; that the 'money back' guarantee from ebay can still burn you and that dealing with a person half way around the world means you have little recourse.

I think that anyone who has been taken by the cartel should consider every purchase as suspect. He does salt a few unaltered stamps in his lots but an online search in this and other forums will reveal the depth of his alternations. I think the safe thing to do is send every single purchase from the cartel to be certified.
Don
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Posted 03/06/2018   07:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Phil_Atelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I appreciate both Don and Reedededge's advice and shared experiences. The purchases have already been made and I will have to wait and see what they look like when they arrive. Of the seven or so purchases from the same seller, members of this community have raised some valid concerns regarding the stamps I have posted, a represented as 140, 120a, 176,177 and 78c. There is also the concern of fake grills. I hope for the best and plan for the worst. Will keep the community updated. Im also due to be receiving the certs on nine submissions made to the PF a few weeks back. Look forward to sharing with everyone.

Best regards,

Dave
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Posted 03/06/2018   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Phil_Atelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also many thanks to you Rogdcam.
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Posted 03/06/2018   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rodgcam: what specifically about this stamps makes you think cartel?
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Posted 03/06/2018   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen it before. Trying to find the link.
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Posted 03/06/2018   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the link to the cartel ebay sale of this stamp.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1869-US-Pi...AOSw8BNajuW1
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Posted 03/06/2018   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dutchman1948 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@reedededge

If you have another transaction like this, file a claim through Paypal for INAD as you have 6 months to do that.
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Posted 03/11/2018   12:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp is now being sold again by a new cartel ID, stamp.sales.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Pictori...AOSw2cVaoTEX
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